for people still doubting michael jackson was a pedophile

This material was provided by a usenet newsgroups poster, Hell Toupee :

Subject: Re: YOU FUCKING PEOPLE KILLED HIM
From: Hell Toupee
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson, alt.slack, alt.fan.howard-stern
Followup-To: alt.gossip.celebrities

Michael Jackson will live forever wrote:
> Michael Jackson was a god among artists. Check his videos on YouTube;
> ALL OF THEM ARE FUCKING AWESOME. Stupid cunts like you who spent their
> lives criticizing him are the reason he’s dead.
> HOPE YOUR HAPPY.

Happy? Try thrilled!

This is only a partial list of what was found in the Neverland search.
I emphasize that: a partial list.
I’ve summarized the official descriptions of these pieces of evidence,
hence the numerous elipses.

A few points of interest to note:

1. Contrary to the f’loons claims, a number of nudie male materials were found. Remember, this is just part of the list, it doesn’t include, for instance, some of the nude guy materials we already know about.

2. MJ had Macauley’s photo in his _bathroom_. Where a lot of his porn was found (plus some bottles of booze not included in this particular list). This, f’loons, is the bathroom used by the boys who spent time in MJ’s bedroom.

3. The cops retrieved a couple of bags containing, among other things, bloody bedsheets and nine pairs of men’s underwear from the *library area of the upstairs video/arcade room*!

4. This partial list goes far to illustrate how Neverland was _loaded_ with porn. They found it everywhere. Note that most of it was freely available to kids. Very little was locked up.

5. Check out the drug stuff. It’s well known that MJ has a substance abuse problem, and that he’s hooked on Xanax. Look at all the prescriptions found in other people’s names. Note that his bestest, most favorite DERMATOLOGIST buddy doctor – Dr. Arnold Klein – wrote a prescription for Xanax for MJ’s dear friend Frank Tyson, which was found in MJ’s possession. What’s a dermatologist doing writing a scrip for mood-altering drug?
Also note that a Las Vegas physician wrote two other scrips for Xanax, *neither* of which were in MJ’s name, but both of which were found in his possession.
And Dr. Klein wrote another prescription for another person whose given address was actually that of a television production company!
Plus the syringe. Plus the ‘unidentified substance’ which was sent off to the state lab for testing.
Plus the letter from MJ’s physician about detox programs.
Put it all together and what do you get?

Here we go:
Item number 301…five DVD media covers…the covers indicated the contents were films from the Hustler ‘Barely Legal’ series…

…Item number 302 was described as a pornographic magazine located within the master bathroom at the Neverland Ranch residence. …I found it to be a periodical entitled, ‘The Best of Club’…

…Item number 303..three books that contained nude photographs, found in the master bedroom within the Neverland Ranch… …the first book was… titled Scenes D’Interieur…The book consisted of a compilation of photographs of nude and/or semi-nude women, in sexually explicit poses.
…The second book was…Camp Cove – Photos Sydney Men… the book was a compilation of naked and semi-naked men…
…The third book was…titled Dressup: Playacts and Fantasies of Childhood. …This book appeared to be a compilation of photographs that appeared to depict either pre-teen or early teen age individuals. Some of the pictured children were nude and/or semi-nude.

…Item Number 304. This item was described as being two pornographic magazines and two nude art books found in the master bathroom at the Neverland Ranch. …The Gynoids appeared to have a fetish (bondage, sadomasochism, piercings, etc.) related theme.

…Item number 305…a photograph of Macauley Culkin, which was located in the master bathroom…

…Item number 306…a pornographic magazine located within a metal brief case in the master bathroom…

…Item number 307…a book, which contained nude photographs of men…found in the master bathroom…titled Bidgood…a compilation of photographs of nude and semi-nude men.

…Item Number 309…a black leather bag, which contained pornographic magazines and pornographic DVDs.

…Within a separate compartment within this front portion of the briefcase…a 5cc syringe (no needle).

…On the reverse side of the briefcase was a compartment that contained miscellaneous loose papers and envelopes.
…There was a postcard depicting young boys (clothed) lined up at a urinal.

…The main compartment contained miscellaneous paperwork, pornographic periodicals…and two DVD cases that appeared to contain pornographic material…the first DVD was titled Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not…the second DVD was titled Sloppy Dogs Presents: Fuck Me, I’m A Bad Girl.

…a letter from a student Councilor/Teacher…wrote of a desire to bring a group of children to California for the purposes of meeting with Michael Jackson.

…a greeting card from Erma J. Lardydell…the writer indicated she sang with Michael Jackson and provided the name of her son, Prince Alba, who was thirteen years of age…

…The final items within this compartment were the May 2002 issue of Gallery and the September 2002 issue of Gallery.

Item Number 313…a book that contained nude photographs. This item was located in the master bathroom…This book was titled Naked As A Jaybird…some of the pictures depicted sexually explicit activities.

…Item Number 505. This item was described as being three books with photographs of nude and partially clothed children. This item was found in the downstairs cellar area of the video/arcade area.

Item number 508…a book depicting nude children…titled The Fourth Sex, Adolescent Extremes…some of the pictures depicted individuals wearing no clothing, or in a state of partial dress…

Item Number 509…a book…titled Cronos…the book appeared to be a compilation of numerous photographs depicting men, women, and children of both sexes…the majority of the photographs depicted the subjects completely unclothed, including the male and female children…

…Item Number 510…two bags of miscellaneous underclothes and bloodied bed linen…located in the upstairs library room of the video/arcade area. The Disneyland bag contained a red Prada brand, long-sleeve shirt…I also found the bag to contain a white cotton sheet with reddish brown stains on it, which I believed were consistent with blood staining. The Garden City Hotel bag had a white Harbor Bay long-sleeved cotton shirt; a folded cotton bed sheet…and numerous pairs of size 30 cotton briefs…in total, there were nine pair of men’s cotton brief underwear. Some of the briefs had discolorations and/or stains, but all pairs appeared to have been washed.

Item number 514…the glass vial…seemed to contain remnants of a substance…submitted to the California…Crime Laboratory…

Item Number 515…medicine bottles, found in the upstairs library room of the video arcade area…four prescription bottles…

…the first bottle indicated the prescription was prescribed to a subject named Michael Armstrong…the prescription was for Percocet…

…the second bottle…to Peter Midani…it should be noted this address was also associated with a Grace Rwarambu (the nanny) …the location is actually a television production company…prescribing physician was a Dr. Klein…contained Prednisone…

…third bottle prescribed to ‘M.M.’…contents were…’Erytab’…
…fourth bottle indicated the intended recipient of the prescription was Frank Tyson…Dr. Arnold Klein…Beverly Hills…prescribed this medication…The prescription was for Alprazolam …

Item Number 518…prescription paperwork…a prescription for Frank Tyson…for Alprazolam…prescribing physician was Dr. William VanValin…a prescription for a Manuel Rivera…for Xanax…the prescribing physician was a Dr. William VanValin.

Item Number 349…paperwork found within the master bathroom…letter is addressed to ‘Dearest MJ’…the letter indicated it was from Dr. Farshchian…The letter pertains to a ‘program’ for outpatient detoxification…

Item Number 1001…Barely Legal magazine…found in the museum/office area…

Item number 1002…a magazine, found in the museum/office area…the December 2002 issue of ‘Naughty Neighbors’…

Item #365…two hardbound books…’Robert Maxwell Photographs’…’The Christy Report Exploring The Outer Edges of the Sexual Experience’…

Item Number 366…several books and magazines…located within the master bedroom/den area…
…five copies of ‘The Nudist’…contained nude photographs of men, women, and children…

…19 copies of ‘The Nudist, Sunshine and Health’…contained photographs of nude men, women, and children…

…one magazine titled ‘Solair Universelle Day Nudisme’…contained photographs of nude men, women, and children…

…a magazine titled ‘American Sunbather’…contained photographs of nude men, women, and children…

…three issues of ‘Eden’…contained photographs of nude men, women, and children…

…a softcover book…titled Man, a Sexual Study of Man…depicted naked males engaged in sexually explicit activities including oral copulation and anal sex…

…a softcover book…titled Taormina Wilhelm Von Gloeden…a compilation of photographs, which depicted both adult and juvenile males, who were posed in the nude…

…a softcover book…titled The Golden Age Of Neglect…the sexual behavior depicted in this book contained photography which depicted both male and female subjects, in various stages of undress, including full nudity. Some of the photographs depicted sexually explicit activity, including oral sex, masturbation, and digital penetration…the subjects appear to be within the age range of late adolescence to early adults…

…hard cover book…titled Before the Hand of Man…a compilation of photographs which depict nude males… hard cover book…titled Bob and Rod…a compilation of photographs of two adult males, who for the most part, were pictured in full and partial nudity…

MJ once wrote a note to his late sister-in-law:
“Dee Dee Please read this article about child malestation [sic] and please read it to Taj, T.S. and Tarryl [her children]. It brings out how even your own reletives [sic] can be malesters [sic] of children, or even uncle or aunts malesting [sic] nephew or nieces. Please read.”

(broken link) http://www.courttv.com/news/jackson/photo_gallery2/17.html

Subject: Re: Payoff list?
From: Hell Toupee
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson, alt.gossip.celebrities

Podkayne Fries wrote:
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> How many kids did Pervo Pan pay off?

That we know of.

Definite payoffs:
Jordy Chandler, Jason Francia. Know for sure despite the
confidentiality clauses in the settlements because they came out in
MJ’s molestion trial, since Francia testified for the prosecution and
Jordy was asked by the prosecution to be a witness.

The following are unconfirmed but highly suspicious, due to the pattern shown in each relationship with MJ. MJ typically had brief and intense relationships with chosen boys, where they spent considerable time with MJ, shared his bed, traveled the world with him, and were usually introduced as his ‘son’ or ‘cousin’. MJ paid these boys and their families huge amounts of cash and favors (including jobs, jewelry, expensive cars, immigration assistance, recording contracts, expensive gear and paying for lessons). In some cases the financial remuneration continued for years following the end of the relationships :

Jimmy Safechuck, Wade Robson, Brett Barnes, Frank Cascio and his
little brothers, Mac Culkin, that German boy whose parents refuse to
talk about it, Brandon Adams, at least one of MJ’s nephews.

Other boys of interest, due to their similarly intense relationships
with MJ: Corey Feldman, Ahmad Elatab, Emmanuel Lewis.

This list does not include the two boys who came forward about MJ
having had sexually explicit phone conversations with each of them –
Terry George, and that nine-year-old kid from Utah. Neither one was
known to have spend any amount of time in MJ’s company.

HellT

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4th of september update : I stumbled upon a blog post about MJ by a guy who well-researched the topic of MJ’s alleged child-molestation charges. He started off from a “he’s guilty” point of view, then he changed his mind :

I used to think he did it. Molest kids, I mean. You know the saying on smoke and fire, and where the former is?
But then a Jackson fan told me that one of the 2 accusing boys now admits to lying. It sounded like a hoax story, so I looked it up. It was a hoax- a factually incorrect little piece that even gets the names of Jordan and his father wrong, and has only old photos of him, claimed that Jordan Chandler recently admitted his father made him lie about Jackson. That hoax tale was, rightfully, not carried by any major media source.

But those same articles I googled to see if it’s a hoax, also contained other facts. Facts that made me look deeper.

Read the rest here.
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NOVEMBER 28 09 UPDATE : many people give interesting arguments against the theory of MJ’s pedophilia, here’s an example in english and french :
http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1975&cpage=1

I’m copypasting Fredd’s comments. He has written them in both french and english :

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Michael Jackson s’était converti à l’Islam et était protégé par des amis Noirs de Nation of Islam (le mouvement de fierté Noire de l’antisémite Louis Farrakhan)! Au cours des dernières années avant sa mort, il s’était réfugié dans des pays arabes du Moyen-Orient.

Même Wikipedia parle de sa chanson controversée:
“Le chanteur a fait face à des allégations d’antisémitisme, argumentant que les critiques avaient mal interprété le contexte de la chanson, soit involontairement ou délibérément.”
Texte original: -The singer countered allegations of antisemitism, arguing that reviews had misinterpreted the context of the song, either unintentionally or deliberately.-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Don%27t_Care_About_Us

Selon l’ADL, Michael Jackson était un antisémite. Ils ont fait des pressions pour qu’il change les paroles de cette chanson qui faisait allusion aux juifs, mais d’autres déclarations de sa part ont soulevé l’ire de l’ADL…

J’ai une autre version de la citation antisémite de Michael Jackson:
“ils sucent, ils sont comme des sangsues, je suis tellement fatigué, c’est vraiment un complot, ils font exprès.”

Citation originale:
“The Jews they suck… they’re like leeches… I’m so tired… It IS a conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose.”
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4831_12.htm

Des proches de Michael Jackson ont suggéré à plusieurs reprises que l’église de Scientologie était derrière les allégations de pédophilie qui pesaient contre lui. C’est d’ailleurs son plus proche (très proche) associé qui a fait ces allégations au sujet de la scientologie. Comme on sait grâce à plusieurs sources (dont l’ancien diplomate américain Steven Kosak), cette Église est sous contrôle du Mossad (et une propriété d’avocats juifs qui l’ont acheté avec l’argent des Bronfman).

Vous aurez remarqué que le nom de cette secte revient souvent dans mes messages si vous avez pris le temps de les lire. J’ai souvent identifié cette secte comme étant un acteur majeur du complot visant la destruction de l’IHR et de Liberty Lobby (deux organisations de Willis Carto), mais aussi derrière les agents Chris Bollyn et Eric Hufschmid, qui ont fait tout leur possible pour détruire American Free Press (…une autre initiative de Willis Carto!).
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Fredd says:
Saturday, June 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Michael Jackson converted to Islam and was protected by friends of Nation of Islam (the Black movement of known antisemite Louis Farrakhan)! In the last few years before his death, he was hiding in arab countries of the MidEast.

Wikipedia talks about his controversial song:
“The singer countered allegations of antisemitism, arguing that reviews had misinterpreted the context of the song, either unintentionally or deliberately.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Don%27t_Care_About_Us

According to the ADL, Michael Jackson was a real antisémite. They tried to make him change the lyrics of “They don’t really care about us”, but some of his other statements made the ADL very angry.

“The Jews they suck… they’re like leeches… I’m so tired… It IS a conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose.”
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4831_12.htm

Close associates and relatives of Michael Jackson suggested many times that the Church of Scientology was behind those base allegations of pedophilia against him. Even his closest asociate made such claims. As we know from many sources (including former american diplomat the late Steven Kozak – not sure of the spelling), this “self-help group” is under the control of the Mossad and is onwed by jewish lawyers (lead by Lawrence Heller), who themselves bought it using Bronfman money!

If you erad my posts, you’ll have noticed that I often identify this cult as a major actor in many conspiracies tied to ADL-Mossad-CIA, etc. Scientology (Mossad) agents were most notably involved in the destruction of the IHR and Liberty Lobby (both organizations founded by Willis Carto), but they’re also behind agents Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid, who have made huge efforts in order to destroy American Free Press (…another Willis Carto initiative!).
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Fredd says:
Saturday, June 27, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Was he guilty of pedophilia? I’ll let you judge by yourself…
(sorry… I couldn’t find a better quality version)
http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/1137284

Farrakhan (Nation of Islam) speaks about Michael Jackson

Louis Farrakhan is the one who taught his black brothers that their leaders (speaking in their names) do not really care about them. We should make that clear to everyone: the leaders of the anti-racist organizations are not working to help their fellow brothers, they’re following (consciously or not) a masonic-zionist agenda leading that must lead to racial war.

The revisionist-antisemitic website of Nation of Islam http://www.radioislam.org or http://www.abbc.net is banned in France I believe
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gino says:
Saturday, June 27, 2009 at 8:03 PM

MJ was a freak and he admits to sleeping with boys, enuff said
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Patrick says:
Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

And he was acquitted of molesting boys… I personally like the guy

and I think he was awakened
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Fredd says:
Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:24 PM

He had two jewish kids…

That’s kinda weird for a converted muslim!

Jackson kids’ Jewish mother could regain custody
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/28/1006174/jackson-kids-jewish-mother-could-regain-custody
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gino says:
Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:24 PM

acquitted after he paid them off 20 million big ones
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Fredd says:
Monday, June 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Michael did want to pay, it is his insurance company that wanted to pay them.

There was no acquittal because there were no accusations. Only allegations.
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Fredd says:
Monday, June 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM

“They don’t care about us”

I think this is the best and most concise way to describe the psychopaths in power and their system of pathocracy that rules over us.

A pathocracy is a regime in which a small pathological minority takes control over a society of normal people.

Zionists, Psychopaths and 9/11
http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/911psychos.htm

Sionistes, Psychopathes et 11 septembre
http://www.takeourworldback.com/fr/911psychos_fr.htm
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Fredd says:
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 at 10:48 PM

I found this in Vanity Fair:

[quote] According to Novel, the Jacksons believed that it was all a grand conspiracy, that the accuser’s mother was being paid by Jackson’s enemies, who wanted to take control of his major economic asset, the Sony/ATV Music catalogue, which holds publishing rights to 251 Beatles songs and works by scores of other pop artists. Jackson claimed that the main conspirators were Sony Records; its former president, Tommy Mottola; and Santa Barbara County district attorney Tom Sneddon, the prosecutor, who also investigated Jackson in 1993. The catalogue is held jointly by Jackson and Sony, and Jackson’s share is mortgaged for more than $200 million. If Jackson defaults, Sony has first chance to buy his half as early as this coming December. (A Sony spokesperson said, “We are not going to comment on any aspect of this.”)

Jackson explained to Novel that the conspirators had introduced him to Al Malnik, a wealthy Miami attorney who had once represented Meyer Lansky. Malnik later helped Jackson refinance his loans. That was not what Jackson told Novel, however. According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik’s house in Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic. He said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to put his fingers in the singer’s business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his suspicion, but he did not tell Novel that he later put Malnik on the board of the Sony/ATV Music partnership. (Reached by telephone, Malnik scoffed at the idea of a conspiracy or of his having any Mafia ties. He said, “It does not make any sense.” Ratner confirmed that he took Jackson to Malnik’s house and that he considers Malnik a father figure.)

Jackson and Mottola have been at odds for years. In New York in July 2002, Jackson staged a public protest against Mottola with the Reverend Al Sharpton, calling him a racist and “very, very devilish.” He called for a boycott of Sony, which is believed to have contributed to Mottola’s ouster from the company six months later. Jackson is reportedly so frightened of Mottola that one of the reasons he surrounded himself with Nation of Islam guards in 2003 was that he thought Mottola could put out a hit on him. (Mottola could not be reached for comment.)

Jackson wanted Novel to find the links among these characters. Novel told me in March that “he believes he’ll get convicted. He believes the judge, the D.A., and the Sony guys are a conspiracy to take over his money.” [/quote]
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2005/07/orth200507
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Fredd says:
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 at 6:08 AM

Dieudo parle de Michael Jackson (et Farrakhan), suggérant que les juifs

Ça fait pas plaisir à tout le monde…

Je dois souligner par contre que malheureusement Dieudonné s’est trompé lorsqu’il a cité les propos anti-juifs de Michael Jackson. Michael n’a jamais accusé un quelconque “Lobby sioniste américain”, il a accusé “les Juifs”, en particulier ceux qui en avaient après lui et qui voulaient s’en débarrasser. Jean Robin a raison de corriger Dieudo : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z6j33Q3HVo
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Fredd says:
Friday, November 13, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Ainsi donc, les proches de MJ (et donc vraisemblablement MJ lui-même) disaient que les allégations d’attouchements sexuels sur des enfants étaient fabriquées par une “secte religieuse américaine” qui conspirait pour se venger de lui, du fait qu’il ait refusé d’en devenir membre. Cette secte est la Scientologie, propriété des sionistes milliardaires Bronfman.

(citation) Just 20 miles away would be a sort of Polish Graceland, on an island in a lake, where the new king would reside in a Baroque castle, which was being overseen by the director of Warsaw’s Royal Gardens, who, according to The Guardian, “is ready to believe the account of Jackson’s aides, that the child abuse allegations were the work of an American religious sect enacting revenge for his refusal to sign up.” (fin de la citation)
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2003/04/orth200304?currentPage=6

La Scientologie est notamment utilisée comme façade du Mossad, en coopération avec l’ADL et la CIA, souvent pour infiltrer et saboter des groupes jugés “antisémites”, révisionnistes (IHR, Liberty Lobby). Chris Bollyn était payé par une scientologue après son exclusion du journal AFP, ce qu’il admet lui-même. Depuis Bollyn n’a cessé de salir la réputation de AFP, Willis Carto, Michael Collins Piper et l’avocat (juif antisioniste) Mark Lane.

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>JANUARY 16th UPDATE :
http://scientificblogging.com/j_michael_bailey/was_michael_jackson_pedophile
I learned many things from this article.
The most surprising one was that MJ’s real voice was big and deep. His usual and known voice was affected. You dont have an affected fake voice without having a deeply hypocritic personality, a mask you’re wearing for the world while your real self remains hidden. That’s bad news for anyone.

The predictably massive postmortem analysis of Michael Jackson has focused on both his enormous talent and his spectacular strangeness. Although there is lively debate whether Jackson or Elvis Presley is the all time King of Pop, there is no question which of them is the King of Weird.

Elvis Presley had his quirks—secret meetings with Nixon, shooting at television sets, and of course, drug abuse. But these did not compare with Michael Jackson’s bizarre physical appearance, abetted by untold plastic surgeries; child-like speech; enjoyment in sleeping with (and perhaps “sleeping with”) boys; obsession with Peter Pan; and of course, drug abuse.

Jackson’s weirdness, unlike Presley’s, was publicized for years before his death. So it is disappointing to read the banal psychological interpretations of his behavior. The most common thread is that Jackson’s cruel and ambitious father robbed Michael of his childhood.

Slate’s Jacob Weisberg wrote, back in 2005: “Almost everything that seems freakish about him can be explained by his poignant, doomed effort to get his stolen childhood back.”

Really? How many musicians, athletes, and actors have had overbearing parents who made their childhoods miserable? How many of these resemble Jackson in any way whatsoever: the freakish surgically altered face, the affected voice, Neverland, llamas and chimps, and sleeping with pubescent boys?

A unique person like Michael Jackson requires a unique explanation. Furthermore, Jackson’s weirdness was so multifaceted that it presents both a challenge and an opportunity. An hypothesis that explains only one unusual fact is not so useful. One that can explain several is much more so.

I propose an explanation of Michael Jackson that, if true, can explain several seemingly unrelated things: the molestation accusations and interest in children, the obsession with Peter Pan, and the facial surgeries. I think that Michael Jackson had an erotic identity disorder. (…)

~ by quintal on 26 June, 2009.

94 Responses to “for people still doubting michael jackson was a pedophile”

  1. […] People Still Doubting Michael Jackson Was a Pedophile for people still doubting michael jackson was a pedophile quintal This is only a partial list of what was found in the Neverland search. I emphasize that: a partial […]

  2. You are so lost. MJ was molested, and read all of these books to try and understand what happened to him, and why his interest alwasys was directed towards men, not women. Classic case of family molesation.

    • @NOYB :
      Pedophiles are former victims of pedophilia.
      That MJ was molested is an element in favor of the theory that he was a pedophile, not against it.

  3. Michael Jackson is not Guilty: Michael Jackson isn’t guilty, legally, morally, or even from an objective standpoint. Legally: Cases rejected, no evidence found, No DNA evidence, No Hair Follicles, No Marks on and of the childs body, the parents didn’t even request for michael to go to jail they took the money and ran with it because thats all they wanted in the first place. Before Michael was accused of being a “pedophile” he was always AN ICON. HE donated 300 million to charities, built a billion dollar career on inspiration from kids why can’t people believe that he spent money on an amusement park to help kids? Even in his LAST WILL he gave money to charity. He was a big part of the MAKE A WISH FOUNDATION. If believe he was guilty then you believe in a society where you are guilty till proven innocent. And i call you a murderer so you should be hung now based on your beliefs in heresay as a reason to reach a guilty verdict. Calling Michael a child molestor is like me pointing at you and calling you a witch and everyone burning or hanging you for it. It’s no different than a witchunt! Theres no evidence on the side that he “is” NONE. None whatsoever. None. He spent his ENTIRE life giving to sick kids and the same society that spits on his grave today. Even in his last will he gave back to our same undeserving bullshit society! Morally he is clean. Legally he is clean, Objectively he is clean! There is no logic that can even lead to him being guilty. Even the child came out and stated that he lied about it after Michaels death. Martin Bashir who also accused Jackson has ALSO come out and admitted that he lied. Michael has been a naieve child most of his life. He was taken advantage of by so many people and incredibly misunderstood. Michael is literally a child in a mans body. I understand that it SOUNDS far-fetched that a grown man could really be that. But it IS true with Michael. Michael was a very UNIQUE individual. ONLY A CHILD WOULD CLIMB TREES AND TELL THE REPORTER (martin bashir) HE IS MISSING OUT. ONLY A CHILD WOULD STAND IN LINE AT HIS OWN AMUSMENT PARK AND PURCHASE A SNOW CONE. ONLY A CHILD WOULD DO THESE THINGS. Michael literally never ever ever grew up. Everything he had in this world comes from his inspiration from kids. As Michael stated “I see the face of GOD in kids” Think about how incredibly moving and powerful his music and life was and the fuel to it was kids! Michael loved kids and would never ever ever ever harm them. He gave 300 million to their cause, lead an iconic career, in death gave his last will to their cause, in life he was always giving giving and giving. He was never guilty. He surely had a relationship with kids but it was NOT sexual. And let me tell you this. I am NOT a diehard Michael Jackson fan. I like his music. Yet I don’t own one CD or ONE Poster or ONE video. Nothing. I just know that the man is innocent. Logically, Legally, and even morally! He is incredibly MISUNDERSTOOD. Period. Michaels relationship with children was never EVER sexual. Ever. Never. He literally loved children as his own and would have done anything to take care of them and he even helped one of them slowly recover from cancer. Based on his life, the court result, his actions, AND his history he cannot possibly be guilty in my mind. Don’t compare this man to OJ Simpson! OJ Simpson had DNA evidence working AGAINST him. OJ Did criminal activities MORE THAN ONCE. OJ Was guilty. Michael WAS NOT. Both times the “fake victims” walked away with money from michael. Even Michaels ex-wife took advantage of him. Michael was a grown man in body, but not in soul and mind. He was literally like a child. There was alot he didn’t understand about this world. And in the end it killed him. I am not like Michael. When people try to stick it to me I put my foot in their face. And I truly wish that when Michael were alive he had a friend like ME who understood his pure heart. People today are so scared and so defensive that good intent is usually misconstrued for manipulation and evil deed. It is not true. Michael was truly a good man. I myself once had that innocent pure heart but as I grew up in this shit society I realized I cannot trust anyone and that made me, and others hard and distant. For some reason Michael was able to maintain a good amount of his innocence. The guy was harmless and couldn’t hurt a fly. Aside from all abstract arguments even the facts, FACTS, FACTS, lead to a not guilty verdict. Those who think he is guilty-If I call you a murderer and 2 people agree but you have no blood stains no evidence of being at the crime scene, no dna, no connection, no motive are you a murderer? NO. So what he went on drugs? The guy couldn’t eat a sandwich without being MAULED by crowds!!!! A victim of his own success. People know Michaels presence on this earth was iconic. A musician who at one point had the power of the pope. Icon, Legend, Genius. The truth always comes to light. So haters? TAKE A HIKE.

    • @You’re wrong :
      LOL I didn’t bother even reading past the first third.
      I guess you’re a typical example of who some people call “f’loons” on alt.music.michael-jackson
      The very post you replied to rebukes your tirade.
      Thanks for commenting anyway, I appreciate it.

  4. Michael Jackson – PEDO – FACT.
    Michael Jackson – JUNKIE – FACT.

  5. Michael Jackson – MK-ULTRA mind-controlled sex-slave : interesting theory.
    http://www.henrymakow.com/was_michael_jackson_another_il.html

  6. You are a really sad person. Nothing you say about Michael Jackson will have any impact because you are not his peer. You are an insect. Get over it, it’s really pathetic.

  7. Not a jackson fan? Really? Oo
    Of course I’m not his peer (except as a human being, did you know?), and yet what I QUOTE (not say) is relevant.
    Besides, the suspicion of MJ’s molestation of children has already had a huge impact on his life and career, get a clue.
    I’m realizing I actually hadn’t claimed anything about MJ yet in this post nor in its comments section. What are you babbling about then?
    Anyway, thanks for visiting and commenting.

  8. I also believe Michael Jackson was molested as a child and warned his sister-in-law because of that. Had he wanted her kids, that would have been the last thing he would have done. He was utterly interested in sex, partly for the usual reasons (strengthened by a religious upbringing telling him sex was a sin), partly because he really didn’t understand it. Nothing of this is proof. Did the sheets contain blood, and did he have an explanation? One of the medications you mention was for his lupus. There is no doubt he had porn and he used too many drugs, but that is still no proof he was molesting children.

    Time will tell, when they grow up and talk. Culkin has denied any wrong-doing.

  9. that whole list is fake, and is the product of bloggers on the internet and has no credibility. it said on the NEWS AND Diane sawyer said so that NOTHING was found at his home NOTHING AT ALL, watch the interview online if u want the truth

    • Reader’s Digest wrote (in a time when they still did a lot of effort to ensure the truth of every thing they wrote, I am unsure if they do so now) that the Diane Sawyer interview missed a lot of truth- including about material found at his house. You may refer to something she said later, but if Diane misses truth once, she can do so again. http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/573398692ssbRrM

      People who say “nothing was found” mean “nothing illegal.” But legal porn- male and female- as well as books with naked children photos was found everywhere in his home. Underpants like the second boy who accused him wore was also found (he said MJ gave him clean underpants after every molestation incident.) The first boy who accused him could describe a splotch on MJ’s penis…

      • “books with naked children photos ”
        This is illegal in france and i believe in most of europe and it will lead you straight to jail if you’re caught owning these. Even having such pictures on your computer seals the deal.
        I’m not in favor of this law especially if there was no exchange of money (thereby no support of the child-exploitation by the owner of the pictures).
        But still it’s MJ we’re talking about, a world superstar and role model for children who’s been charged with child-molestation.
        A guy who took many children to his disney-like home to sleep-over.
        It is more than creepy, it is absurdly tolerant.
        That’s what brought him down, his preying on children wasn’t tolerated forever.
        The charge of conspiracy can be genuine though, as many if not all high-profile figures have corpses in their closet but only some of them get nailed.

      • It was not found “everywhere.” They were photography books found in his collection of over 10,000 books. Why is legal art work depicting the human form so shocking and terrifying for you?

        The first boy couldn’t describe his penis, that’s one of the reasons why the case never made it to court. Even though he refused to testify Sneddon still pressed the evidence up against 2 grand juries and it was thrown out each time. You think if the kid could discuss MJ’s penis in detail they’d do that? He couldn’t even describe whether or not it was circumcised. Before he’d “confessed” he even told one of the lawyers that he had never seen Michael naked, not even half naked, after showering or swimming or anything like that because “Michael was too shy.”

  10. It seems to me Dr Farshcian was one of the docs who was trying to help him. Do not trust TMZ, please look alittle further look at pictures 3,23,28 and 30 at http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_drug_pictures_2#4

  11. It amazes me how the media can still manipulate people just for the money once a super star has passed away . Hmmmmmm

  12. Hi, where can I find the court documents which describe what pronografic materials was seized at Neverland? Thanks.

  13. you’re gonna have to ask Hell Toupee about that:-)

    go to alt.music.michael-jackson and call him by name in a new thread’s title

    you can also try on other newsgroups he hangs on like :

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime

  14. All court documents can be acquired at:
    http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/ctdocs.php
    Use the search on the right; select “ALL” and the documents should be listed.

    Most notable court documents:
    The 1993 search warrant:
    http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/011805pltreqaseemd.pdf

    The 2003 search warrant: http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/060804sdcontsheet.pdf

    The behavior of a pedophile.

    • Ridiculous. Legal books on the human form is not the behaviour of a pedophile. IF any of what he owned was illegal he would have been arrested full stop. There’s no evidence that any of this was used in grooming behaviour, in fact most of the kids didn’t even attest to any of these books exisiting in the first place. If they had realized it was something they could have used against him they would have claimed he’d been using it to groom them; shockingly they didn’t.

      Ignorance abounds.

  15. thank you very much for these references.

  16. Your list is still pathetic. I don’t see anything incriminating or illegal on it. So what if he had multitudes of pornography, both gay and straight. LOL. All it shows is that liked to look at porn. Very criminal.

    You need to try to use what they found to prove or even support your claim that he was a PEDOPHILE. You know, did he or did he not have SEX WITH/FONDLE Jordie Chandler, Gavin Arvizo, or Jason Francia? Your list does not do that.

    I actually read the links you provided about what they found. If Jackson was a pedophile, then where was the KIDDIE porn? Pedophiles are known to possess CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, not adult pornograhy.

    They were pathetically trying hard to pass 2 books as child porn.

    1. Boys will be Boys. http://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Celebrating-Adventurous/dp/0736913122
    That don’t look like child pornography. It was an ILLUSTRATED art book. LOL. The inscription by Jackson read, “Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys faces, this is the spirit of Boyhood, A life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children.- MJ” (page 9150 of trial transcripts, lines 25-28) How is that porn? Seriously?

    2. Then there’s The Boy a Photographic: Essay. . This book was found in 1993 and had the inscription “from your fan XXX”. There’s not even any evidence that he even opened that book. Even if he did, the book aint illegal and is not PORNOGRAPHIC.

    I went to a museum once and I saw a picture of a naked boy. I wonder if that makes me a pedophile. Is the museum guilty of showing off child porn? It all depends on the CONTEXT of the picture. Something wingnuts have a hard time understanding. It takes a true ‘floon’ to try to pass these off as pornography.

    There was a news story about a family whose lives were ruined because they tried to develop nude pictures of their 3 year old in the bath tub. The guy at Wal-Mart thought it was porn and reported them to the police. They lost custody of their child. The police did a long investigation and concluded they did nothing wrong and got their kid back. Meanwhile, their lives were ruined just by the mear accusation. People look at them funny because they are ‘alleged pedophiles’.

    Another interesting point, is that Michael Jackson owned hundreds of thousands of books. I bet a great proportion of those books were about children. By all accounts he was an avid reader. Its possible he owned almost everybook pertaining to the subject of children. Its interesting they could only use two books in their investigation. One of them was not even purchased by Michael Jackson and was found 12 years ago and was mailed to him by a fan. Again, pretty pathetic. They were stretchin it and you’re tryin to stretch it.

    • good points about the books.
      i didnt know which ones they were and indeed at least the first one isnt clearly incriminating.
      i’m not trying to stretch anything.
      i admit i got caught by the “books with pictures of nude children” misrepresented description.
      still the place was loaded with porn.
      not suitable for inviting young boys to sleep over.

      • What are you talking about? Any adult can own as much pornograhy as they like in there home and invite children over. As long as its legal adult porn. That doesn’t mean they are a pedophile. That doesn’t mean they were showing the pornography off to the children. Maybe the pornography is for their own personal private use and has nothing to do with kids.

        So are you saying that a parent is not allowed to own pornography because their children might be exposed to it? Sometimes kids (especially at the age of 13) misbehave and can dig into their parents stuff to find the porn.

      • Exactly, you got caught. You read something and you immediately took it to be truth. Perhaps before going on a nutjob rant you should have clicked on the google button to understand the subject at hand better. Photography books about children are not illegal, children run around naked, half naked, swim naked, play naked, people photograph them. The fact that the prosection ONLY had these 4/5 books to go on as a means to incriminate him says everything. The factt that they had to FIGHT to use these books because they are utterly legal says more. The fact that the case was chucked out? Even more.

        Porn is legal and his placed wasn’t “loaded” with it. Most of it he kept hidden the way most guys hide their porn, under the bed and in locked areas and compartments. They had to break into a lot of his things to find it all.

    • http://www.amazon.com/BOYS-WILL-Georges-St-Martin/dp/B000OREMI0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266896210&sr=8-4

      # Hardcover: 256 pages
      # Publisher: Book Adventures, Inc.; First Edition edition (1966)


      Reporter’s Transcript of Proceedings
      FRIDAY, APRIL 29, 2005

      841 Book entitled “Boys Will Be Boys”

      […]

      20 MR. SANGER: All right. Now, with the

      21 Court’s permission, I’d like to put up 841. That’s

      22 the other book.

      23 THE COURT: Yes.

      24 MR. SANGER: If I may.

      25 Q. And this is the cover. We can’t get the

      26 whole thing on at once, but it’s 841 up in the

      27 corner, for the record, and it says, “Boys Will Be

      28 Boys,” and it has a picture there; right? 8243

      1 A. Yes.

      2 Q. That’s the cover. And by the way, this is a

      3 commercially — both of these are commercially

      4 available books; is that correct?

      5 A. Yes.

      6 Q. Okay. And when you open this book up, it

      7 actually says — let’s look right over here. I’m

      8 going to try to talk loudly while I’m holding this.

      9 It says on the flyleaf, “Book Adventures,

      10 Inc.,” and the copyright 1966. Do you see that?

      11 A. Yes. Down at the bottom.

    • Just correcting you on the book, btw. I’m not disagreeing with your general point. :)

      I think the jury came to the correct verdict. The prosecution didn’t have any physical evidence: their case turned on the credibility of their witnesses. Gavin and his family didn’t have much credibility, and neither did many of the other prosecution witnesses, particularly the former Neverland employees brought in to testify under evidence code 1108. The witnesses with the most salacious testimony generally had the least credibility.

  17. I’ll address the ‘special boy’ pattern that you were describing. This another example of how you are trying to stretch it.

    Michael Jackson was a strange man. From the beginning, he always had a love for children. In almost every interview he mentions children. Their was a special about Michael Jackson’s childhood they chronicled Michael Jackson’s relationships children that began with a 5 year old boy when he was 16. He called the boy a lot. His mother asked, I wonder why he doesn’t have friends his own age? Then theres the list of boys you provided. All of this is well documented. Michael Jackson never had anything to hide about his relationships with Children. Heck, he came on TV bragging about sleeping with Children (not only boys, testimony at the trial proves their were a few girls, one being Macualey Culkin’s sister).

    He also formed relationships with little girls to. One of them was Quincy Jones’ own daughter who was 8 when Michael Jackson was 20. According to the autobiography of Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson developed a close relationship with his young daughter. Once, the girl’s mother discovered that she had made more than 91 long distance phone calls to Michael Jackson. Quincy didn’t get his shot gun and say Michael was having sex with is daugher. I wonder why? For you this is evidence that Mike had a sexual interest in children.

    Sean Lennon was also one of Michael Jackson’s ‘special friends’ in the mid eighties. Yoko Ono, entrusted her own son to Michael Jackson. They went everywehere together, without supervision. Michael according to the prosecution was ‘grooming’ that boy. He showered him with gifts and vacations. Also, Ahmad Elatab, is the son of one of the richest men in the world. Michael Jackson can’t even ‘groom’ him. Most telling is Donald Trump’s obituary where he claims that Michael had a close relationship with one of his sons and declares that Michael Jackson WAS NOT A PEDOPHILE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soXm_uLPSsg

    In your sick mind, the list of boys that Michael publicly befriended is evidence of his guilt. Why else would a grown man be so interested in other people’s children? It must mean he wants to have sex with them.

    However, for most clear thinking people it is the strongest evidence for Michael Jackson’s INNOCENCE. Come on. Do you really think all those celebs and rich people would hand their kid over to a pedophile? Please. You are more delusional than any rabid Michael Jackson fan.

    I’ll play. Maybe the sex was so good that all the boys that Michael Jackson had sex with will never tell their parents or the authorities. That is why they continue to defend him and deny molestation even into adulthood. Maybe its some Hollywood right of passage, where you get to have sex with Michael Jackson when you a little boy or in some cases little girl.

    Its a Sex ring? Bert Lewis, Macauley Culkin, and Wade Robson were secretly in a four way relationship with Michael Jackson and along with Jordie Chandler. Only Jordie Chandler and his con-artist dad had the moral integrity to say that the sex was wrong. Thats how come he was the only boy to admit molestation and denounce Michael Jackson

    • excuse me but who are you talking to?
      if to me, i never mentionned anything about boys MJ befriended.
      please keep your insulting accusations to yourself.
      i’ll remind you that this post is a quote, not my writing.

      as for your argument that celebrities having entrusted MJ with their own children would be evidence that MJ wasnt a pedo, come on. This is laughable. That’s how pedos operate. They prey on the children they have access to, and this most often means family and friends.
      Why would celebrities be immune to be deceived?
      Are they somehow superior to normal people in your view?

      Seems to me you’re just looking for cheap wood to feed your fire.

      you wrote:
      “I’ll play. Maybe the sex was so good that all the boys that Michael Jackson had sex with will never tell their parents or the authorities.”

      This sort of “playing” is disgusting. Please refrain.
      I wont play with talking about your family being murdered or other creepy ideas. So dont play with talking about children enjoying sex with michael jackson. Not allowed here.

      It’s fun hearing you say that just after having claimed i have a “sick mind”. Got right back at you:-)

      As for a ‘”Hollywood right of passage”, i dont know how much you realize you’re closer to the truth than most people would imagine.
      Abuse is a right of passage among the elites. It is the way they rear their own children. Check the testimonies of former illuminati members. Wether they’re genuine or not, the mere fact that some people can come up with such ideas is revealing of the existence of such practices.

      You’re circling around the mindcontrol topic without pinpointing it consciously.
      Fritz Springmeier’s resources come to mind as a critical reference as well.

      • Sorry, this blogs really confusing. I thought you wrote this.

        My bad. “Podkayne Fries wrote:
        >
        > How many kids did Pervo Pan pay off?

        That we know of.

        Definite payoffs:
        Jordy Chandler, Jason Francia. Know for sure despite the
        confidentiality clauses in the settlements because they came out in
        MJ’s molestion trial, since Francia testified for the prosecution and
        Jordy was asked by the prosecution to be a witness.

        The following are unconfirmed but highly suspicious, due to the pattern shown in each relationship with MJ. MJ typically had brief and intense relationships with chosen boys, where they spent considerable time with MJ, shared his bed, traveled the world with him, and were usually introduced as his ’son’ or ‘cousin’. MJ paid these boys and their families huge amounts of cash and favors (including jobs, jewelry, expensive cars, immigration assistance, recording contracts, expensive gear and paying for lessons). In some cases the financial remuneration continued for years following the end of the relationships :

        Jimmy Safechuck, Wade Robson, Brett Barnes, Frank Cascio and his
        little brothers, Mac Culkin, that German boy whose parents refuse to
        talk about it, Brandon Adams, at least one of MJ’s nephews.

        Other boys of interest, due to their similarly intense relationships
        with MJ: Corey Feldman, Ahmad Elatab, Emmanuel Lewis.

        This list does not include the two boys who came forward about MJ
        having had sexually explicit phone conversations with each of them –
        Terry George, and that nine-year-old kid from Utah. Neither one was
        known to have spend any amount of time in MJ’s company. ”

        As for the rest, you are proving my point in your post. You do have a sick mind.

        You wrote: “as for your argument that celebrities having entrusted MJ with their own children would be evidence that MJ wasnt a pedo, come on. This is laughable. That’s how pedos operate. They prey on the children they have access to, and this most often means family and friends.
        Why would celebrities be immune to be deceived?
        Are they somehow superior to normal people in your view?”

        You are basically saying that its possible MJ molested their children too and yet they are supporting the pedophile who molested their kids. And their kids are continuing to support their molester. Its all a grand conspiracy. Right.

        Also, I never claimed that celebrities are better than normal people. Celebrities are the people in MJ’s social group. They are MJ’s friends and he had access to their children. I’m merely using them as an example to counter all people who ask “would you leave him with your kid?”. Thats a stupid question, because none of us KNOW, MJ, so how can we even consider leaving our kids with him.

        The celebrities I mentioned all knew him and trusted their kids with him. Their kids grew and are still friendly with MJ and have denied that MJ molested them. So what is your point?

        “This sort of “playing” is disgusting. Please refrain.
        I wont play with talking about your family being murdered or other creepy ideas. So dont play with talking about children enjoying sex with michael jackson. Not allowed here.”

        Sorry. However, I am right. This IS the explanation suggested by many people to explain why Macauley Culkin, Wade Robson, Bert Lewis, and many other kids deny their molestation at the hands of Michael Jackson. Randy J. Tarraborelli suggested that the police in 1993 thought maybe MJ had earned the lifelong loyalty of the boys he had sex with. Thats how far they went to explain the overwhelming denials of molestation.

        Even one member of the jury at the end of the trial, said he thought MJ probably abused Gavin Arvizo and that he thought Gavin enjoyed being MJ’s plaything while it lasted. Thats how a sick mind would explain why Gavin seemed emotional on the stand when he talked about how MJ ignored him and didn’t return his phone calls and how MJ ‘broke his heart’. In contrast, Gavin seemed very calm and matter of fact when describing his alleged molestation. The media did not report this during the trial, but that was probably what killed the prosecution’s case the most. The boy’s emotions on the stand were confusing at best. The defense picked up on it immediately and suggested that maybe Gavin was angry because MJ no longer wanted to be ‘Daddy Michael’ and thats why he turned on him. The defenses argument makes the most sense. However, people with sick minds will suggest the alternative because they are so blinded in their witch hunt aagainst MJ. If MJ did have a close relationship with the boy and told him he loved him, why can’t their relationship be seen as a close friendship? Why does everything have to be sexual? Its a sign of the times where friends don’t hold hands anymore because they might be called gay. Men must be careful not to show too much affection to children even their own or their behavior might be seen as suspicious by someone with a dirty mind.

        Also your knee jerk and hysterical reaction to my suggestion of children enjoying sex is very telling. First of all the term ‘children’ is sort of dubious. There is a big difference between a 5 year old and a 13 year old, EVERYONE knows this. Margo Jefferson gets it right in, ‘On Michael Jackson’ where she points out that Gavin and Jordie were a little too old to be considered sexually innocent. A thirteen year-old is really a TEENAGER, not a child. That was the age of both alleged victims. This is the big can of worms that neither the defense or prosecution wanted to go anywhere near. Its better for both sides for them to just talk about the victim as if he is a little boy.

        You try to compare this to murder. Seriously? What planet are you on? The 1993 case was centered around a 13 YEAR OLD boy who continuously and willingly hopped into bed with MJ for many nights with his mother’s permission and at the beginning even his fahter’s consent. Originally, the boy claimed that MJ was just his friend and then later after pressure from DAD claimed MJ was his lover. MJ never kidnapped any small child from a playground, nor did he force himself on anybody. 2005 case is a lot weaker because theres no evidence MJ ever shared a bed with that boy. Boy denied it even in Bashir interview. According to witnesses boy and family usually slept in another room, not in MJ’s bed.

        If these were 13 year old girls, people’s perception of the case would be a lot different.An example is the Polanski where the man ADMITTED to druging and raping the girl, yet some people suggest that the girl had something to do with it. Its because of Homophobia that MJ’s alleged victims continue to be infantilized. I am not saying that its okay for adults to have sex with 13 year olds, its obviously wrong, I am just pointing out how over the top and conditioned your response to my origninal post was.

        “As for a ‘”Hollywood right of passage”, i dont know how much you realize you’re closer to the truth than most people would imagine.
        Abuse is a right of passage among the elites. It is the way they rear their own children. Check the testimonies of former illuminati members. Wether they’re genuine or not, the mere fact that some people can come up with such ideas is revealing of the existence of such practices.”

        Again, dirty mind and big conspiracy theories. I think its safe to say that no abuse took place when you are confronted with the denials of the supposed victims. If adults say they weren’t abused as a child and defend their alleged abuser then maybe its because they are telling the truth. Why is it so hard to accept the obvious? We have go into the twilight zone to continue to claim MJ’s a pedophile whether or not the victims confess to their molestation because we all know he did it no matter what the kids now adults have to say about it. Please.

  18. I’ll address the ‘special boy’ pattern that you were describing. This another example of how you are trying to stretch it.

    Michael Jackson was a strange man. From the beginning, he always had a love for children. In almost every interview he mentions children. Their was a special about Michael Jackson’s childhood they chronicled Michael Jackson’s relationships children that began with a 5 year old boy when he was 16. He called the boy a lot. His mother asked, I wonder why he doesn’t have friends his own age? Then theres the list of boys you provided. All of this is well documented. Michael Jackson never had anything to hide about his relationships with Children. Heck, he came on TV bragging about sleeping with Children (not only boys, testimony at the trial proves their were a few girls, one being Macualey Culkin’s sister).

    He also formed relationships with little girls to. One of them was Quincy Jones’ own daughter who was 8 when Michael Jackson was 20. According to the autobiography of Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson developed a close relationship with his young daughter. Once, the girl’s mother discovered that she had made more than 91 long distance phone calls to Michael Jackson. Quincy didn’t get his shot gun and say Michael was having sex with is daugher. I wonder why? For you this is evidence that Mike had a sexual interest in children.

    Sean Lennon was also one of Michael Jackson’s ‘special friends’ in the mid eighties. Yoko Ono, entrusted her own son to Michael Jackson. They went everywehere together, without supervision. Michael according to the prosecution was ‘grooming’ that boy. He showered him with gifts and vacations. Also, Ahmad Elatab, is the son of one of the richest men in the world. Michael Jackson can’t even ‘groom’ him. Most telling is Donald Trump’s obituary where he claims that Michael had a close relationship with one of his sons and declares that Michael Jackson WAS NOT A PEDOPHILE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soXm_uLPSsg

    In your sick mind, the list of boys that Michael publicly befriended is evidence of his guilt. Why else would a grown man be so interested in other people’s children? It must mean he wants to have sex with them.

    However, for most clear thinking people it is the strongest evidence for Michael Jackson’s INNOCENCE. Come on. Do you really think all those celebs and rich people would hand their kid over to a pedophile? Please. You are more delusional than any rabid Michael Jackson fan.

    I’ll play. Maybe the sex was so good that all the boys that Michael Jackson had sex with will never tell their parents or the authorities. That is why they continue to defend him and deny molestation even into adulthood. Maybe its some Hollywood right of passage, where you get to have sex with Michael Jackson when you a little boy or in some cases little girl.

    Its a Sex ring? Bert Lewis, Macauley Culkin, and Wade Robson were secretly in a four way relationship with Michael Jackson and along with Jordie Chandler. Only Jordie Chandler and his con-artist dad had the moral integrity to say that the sex was wrong. Thats how come he was the only boy who was Michael Jackson’s ‘special friend’ and shared a bed with him to admit that Michael Jackson molested him. The other three boys are in a homosexual relationship with Michael Jackson that continues to this day and thats why they refuse to tell the truth and are continuing to defend their lover. its a conspiracy!!!

    Despite the claims of all the other kids that Michael Jackson never molested them, you know better right? They’re all gay and enjoy being molested.

    Or maybe you have some imaginary victims that exist only in your head that are waiting for the right moment to come foward share their stories about how michael jackson molested him.

    • http://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Celebrating-Adventurous/dp/0736913122
      “Product Description :
      This spunky tribute to the mischiefs and musings of little boys features the captivating Americana artwork of oil painter Jim Daly, artist of the bestselling What Little Boys Are Made Of (more than 195,000 copies sold).
      Heartwarming quotes, rascally poems, and literary excerpts about the wonder of boyhood ushers readers into a land of innocence and imagination, where the best kind of toys are the simple props of nature and life’s most memorable moments happen among friends on a lazy summer day.
      With its nod to rural life and simpler times, this spirited gift book is perfect for Mom, Dad, Grandma, Grandpa, Aunt, Uncle—anyone who has ever loved or ever been a little boy.”

      Mesmerizing…
      Shall I enumerate the sexual innuendos scattered in this description? They are so many.

      “spunking”, “mischief”, “rascally”, “life’s most memorable moments happen among friends on a lazy summer day.”, “anyone who has ever loved (…) a little boy.”.

      Notice that the description starts with the words : “this SPUNKY tribute”.
      wow, couldnt be any clearer without enfringing the law.

      I havent seen the book therefore I cant evaluate if it is made for “boys lovers” but its editor’s description is contradicting your claim that it isn’t.

      Yet your point about the prosecuation having misrepresented the book is valid : it isnt a “book of pictures of naked children”. Even if there is a picture of half naked children on its covern, that description is very misleading. The book might be construed as being purposefully ambiguous, but not as being plainly sexual. It is therefore not a clear evidence of sexual desire for children on the part of its owner.

      Something you seem to be missing : someone displaying inordinate interest for children is suspicious.
      It may be evidence of conscious or unconscious pedophilia. It is a definite red flag.

      Also, his place was loaded with porn. Most unsuitable for children sleep overs.

      • DIRTY MIND. LOL.

        ‘Anybody who’s ever loved a little boy’. Why is it automatically a sexual love for a little boy? Sick. Really sick. Even by looking at the cover of the book it seems very innocent. The illustrated boys are swimming and having fun. How is that porn!! They even say its for mothers, grandpas, uncles, aunts, etc. Did you read the comments of the book. WOW. just wow.

        As for the ‘word’ SPUNKY. PLEASE. Get over yourself. Are you kidding me!!! Definition of word spunky from dictionary.com:
        . spunky – showing courage; “the champion is faced with a feisty challenger”
        feisty, plucky
        spirited – displaying animation, vigor, or liveliness
        2. spunky – willing to face danger
        game, gritty, mettlesome, spirited, gamey, gamy
        brave, courageous – possessing or displaying courage; able to face and deal with danger or fear without flinching; “Familiarity with danger makes a brave man braver but less daring”- Herman Melville; “a frank courageous heart…triumphed over pain”- William Wordsworth; “set a courageous example by leading them safely into and out of enemy-held territory”

        How the hell is that sexual!! You are very scary.You’ve got some sick stuff in your head.

        ”. Even if there is a picture of half naked children on its cover” wow. Stay away from a beach with little kids.
        Now you’re very creepy.

        Ironically. these are really ‘little boys’ that were around the same age as his children at time of the case. It supports his qoute about that being the life he wants for his kids. Again, Gavin was 13 at the time at alleged abuse not even a ”little boy”.

        Also, so much porn and only this silly book to try to pass off as kiddie porn, suggests MJ had a SEXUAL interest in adults. The prosecution was so retarded they claimed that the porn wasn’t even really for MJ it was all part of his master plan to molest boys. If that were the case why would he have so many of them and such a wide collection of porn? He would only need one or two magazines to show to the boy, the rest should be Kiddie porn for HIS sexual preferences. The porn was obviously to satisfy HIS own sexual desires. Its idiotic to think he showing heterosexual pornography to heterosexual boys in order to convince them to have gay sex with him. That makes absolutely no sense. And again an adult can look at porn and own pornography and still entertain children. It does not mean they are showing their porn collection to kids.

        “Something you seem to be missing : someone displaying inordinate interest for children is suspicious.
        It may be evidence of conscious or unconscious pedophilia. It is a definite red flag.”

        No man. Go READ, my posts where I have addressed this over and over and over again. You even tried to address it in my other post by suggesting that even if kids and their parents deny that molestation took place it doesn’t mean that there was no molestation. Its all a big conspiracy. They must be lying. Only you know the truth. And you know that no matter how many times they deny being molested they are lying becuase you know MJ was a pedophile no matter what.

        And actually, I already addressed MJ’s unusual interest in children so many times in my other points. Its telling you can’t address my argument directly. I’ve said over and over again that the man has been saying that he LOVES children all his life. He never wanted to grow up, he always wanted to be like children. He wrote songs about childhood/children. He has expressed an interest in BOTH girls and boys only boys are more personal because he is himself a little boy. Since when do boys play with girls? They usually prefer other boys as their playmates. Also, he’s donated millions of dollars to children’s charity during his lifetime. He’s helped so many sick children. He wrote a song in memory of Ryan White. He left 20% of his estate to children’s charities. Before the 1st allegation in 1993, he was considered a good and caring person because of his interest in children.

        There is NOTHING dirty or harmful in wanting to have a close relationship with a child thats not your own. Thats is not proof that he ever had a SEXUAL interest in children. This something that you seem to have a tough time comprehending. An interest in something does not mean you want to have sex with. You can love dogs a lot, and that is not evidence that you want to have sex with them. Again, not every loving relationship is sexual.

        I agree that in 1993, the police made the right decision to investigate MJ. When Jordie made his allegations at the bequest of his con-artist dad, the police had the responsibilty to investigate MJ. When they found out he shared a bed with Jordie and had shared a bed with many other children they had the responsibility of being very suspicious of MJ. However, they also had the responsibilty to investigate the EXTORTION angle of the case. This was something the police and the media were not interested in. They wasted millions of dollars travelling around the world looking for victims and still could not find any. Most kids DENIED that MJ ever did anything to them. CAN YOU explain this? How do you explain that a pedophile who has befriended and shared a bed with hundreds of children could only have 2 victims (oh yah plus the alleged victim Diane Dimond paid to make accusations, so 3) all of whoms parents are con-artists with their hearts set on civil cases and settlements? After a long investigation and a lack of evidence it was the prosecutions moral responsibility to drop it and consider the extortion angle. In the 2005 case, it was Sneddon’s professional obligation to bring charges that he believed in and thought he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt. He didn’t do that, he wanted to crucify MJ so bad he encouraged perjury. MJ was found innocent in that case not because there was reasonable doubt (there was already reasonable apparent to everyone with a brain considering the Arvizos past, previous denials of molestation, and the difficult time the boy had in figuring out whether molestation was before or after Bashir interview) but because the defense was able to PROVE that they were liars, and made a powerful case for extortion.

  19. Oh yah. The PAY OFFS. There are secret boys who Michael Jackson paid to SILENCE. Thats Michael Jackson’s pattern. He has sex with boys and then pays them to be quiet. Thats why the prosecution has such a tough time at finding witnesses. Maybe thats why Bert Lewis, Macualey Culkin, and Wade Robson were defending Michael Jackson in 2005. Its because he paid them off!!!

    However, for someone reason Michael Jackson refused to pay Evan Chandler 20 million dollars and give him a movie deal (what he asked for and was refused before going to the authorities with his story) for Jordie Chandler’s services in 1993. Same thing for Jason Francia in 1990. In fact he had the nerve to fire her and her son in 1990 without paying them off. Can you believe him? He wanted to have sex with those boys for free!

    Evan Chandler and Blanca Francia did what any good parent would do. They took him to CIVIL court in order to collect payment for their sons’ services. Only Blanca Francia did not realize this was an option back in 1990. It wasn’t until she witnessed Evan Chandler’s good example she realized how she and her son deserved better payment and could get it by threatening to take Michael Jackson to Civil court and by threatening to share their experiences with Nancy Grace/Diane Dimond.

    No good parent would want to cooperate with the police in this situation. How could they? Its all just a misunderstanding. Once their son recieves a settlement from Mr. Jackson, its all fine and dandy. They didn’t wanna cooperate with no police investigation in 1993.Heck if Mr. Jackson desires their sons’ services again, I bet they’d be willing to hand him over, so long as he remembers to pay up front so they don’t have to sue him for failing to pay.

    I hope you understand how idiotic you are if you can believe this nonsense. If you’re slow and still don’t get my point I’ll break it down for you. If Michael Jackson pays off boys for their silence then why did his only accusers have to SUE in order to get paid. Why didn’t he just pay them off quietly without a lawsuit. It was supposed to be a match made in heaven according to your theory. Michael meets parents willing to prostitute their kid and Michael is a pedophile. Therefore, why do we even know about this and why were there all these court cases. They should have settled their monetary arangements in private. However, Michael Jackson maintains his innocence and refuses to pay them. It isn’t until they make his life a living hell with all their lawsuits and TV appearances that he agreee to settle their lawsuits.

    Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_(litigation) and learn what a civil settlement is. Heck go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuit and learn what a lawsuit is. Try to understand the difference between a civil case and a criminal case. Go read, http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.htm and find me the place in the settlement where taking the money precludes Jordie Chandler from testifying in CRIMINAL COURT. They obviously never wanted to have anything to do with the cops. They just wanted to get paid and they did. End of story for Jordie and his Dad. Screw justice. Any intelligent person can see this for what it was a SCAM. plain and simple.

    According to even you, Michael Jackson carried out close relationships with many children. He invited thousands of children to Neverland and befriended hundreds. Yet only three accusers, whose parents all happen to be money hungry con-artists who were never interested in criminal cases. Its obvious those people simply took advantage Michael Jackson’s eccentrities in order to extract money from him.

    Michael Jackson’s eccentrities are well documented and explained many times even by him. He claimed he never had a childhood and thats why he built Neverland and prefers the company of children. Many other sources detail how childlike he was. He never tried to hide his relationships with children from anyone. He did it everyone’s face and even bragged about them. There is no evidence, that he ever had a SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP with any child. You can’t even show me evidence other than your nonsensical list and ‘special friendships’ that even Jackson never tried to hide. The Arvizos in 2005 were a bunch of wacko’s using tax payer money to prosecute their civil case in criminal court.

    If Michael Jackson was a pedophile and wanted to have SEX with boys their are a lot smarter ways of going about doing it than building Neverland, and caring on ‘special friendships’ with children in public and ‘grooming’ them according to Sneddon. Why would Michael Jackson have to groom anybody? Michael Jackson could have travelled to some thirld world country and purchased a child prostitute any time he wanted if he really were a pedophile. You would have never found out anything about it. I bet thats what the REAL pedophiles in Hollywood do. The ‘grooming’ and ‘special friendships’ tactics are only for average Joe pedophiles who can’t afford to buy kids to rape; therefore, they have to go through the trouble of luring them in and then convince them to stay quiet. It makes no sense that Michael Jackson was a pedophile. It makes more sense that he was simply a man who loved children and wanted to be one and so some scum bags decided to take advantage of him.

    • I have read a lot of things about MJ being a molester and I swear you have written a master piece…. destroying the lie he ever molested anyone. Thank you

  20. Read and Learn The Truth People. The Truth will set you free. Michael Jackson was NOT a Pedophile. Yall are fightin an uphill battle against all the EVIDENCE.

    Read Aphrodite Jones book “The Michael Jackson Conspiracy”, written by a reporter who was rabidly pro-prosecution during the trial but changed her tune after reviewing the Evidence. Also, ‘Redemption’ by Geraldine Hugh’s who was a paralegal for Evan Chandler’s lawyer. She outlines the Chandler’s scam. Also read Mary Fischer GQ article, “Was Michael Jackson Framed?” http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_897kKSVUTMc/So-zZ9dS8lI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/fwrWpHzzZYg/s1600-h/GQ-213×300.jpg
    http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/gq-article-was-michael-jackson-framed/

    Also, for fun get a load of Diane Dimond’s witch hunt for victims. She comes across a boy who could give ‘lurid’ testimony, only to find out he never met Michael Jackson or even been to Neverland. So much for boys don’t lie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3GbPkR-ne4

    Also listen to Evan Chandler rave about how he’s gonna destroy Michael Jackson at 1:12 , forget about his son. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZR55Go1QI

  21. Here are other books.
    http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jackson-Conspiracy-Aphrodite-Jones/dp/0979549809

    Redemption, written by the paralegal for the Chandler’s lawyers in the 1993 case. http://www.amazon.com/Redemption-Michael-Jackson-Allegation-Unautographed/dp/0615306705/ref=pd_sim_b_4

  22. “‘Anybody who’s ever loved a little boy’. Why is it automatically a sexual love for a little boy? Sick. ”
    that’s the point.
    it isnt automatical.
    it is ambiguous, as i said.
    you’re misrepresenting and/or misunderstanding my words.
    i’ll read your comments later.

    • Too much smoke for there to be no fire. Show me the fire.

      Its been well explained by the Michael Jackson and his supporters for decades (even b4 the 1st accusations were made) why he built Neverland and why his best friends were children. They have been CONSISTENT over the years in their explanation.

      Its the prosecution and Michael Jackson persecutors that have been INCONSISTENT. They have been grasping at the wind, resorting to misrepresentation, suborning perjury, fudging the truth, and even outright LIES to make it look like MJ was a pedophile.

      Just a few months ago you beleived the innuendo (despite the actual EVIDENCE) that MJ had naked pictures of children and thought that supported your claim that MJ was a pedophile. Now you’re backing off and saying its ‘ambigous’. Go figure.

      News flash. You either are a pedophile or you are not. No ambiguity there. You either SEXUALLY abused the kid or you did not. There should not be a separate category just for Michael Jackson just bcz you don’t like him. MJ was found NOT GUILTY in a court of law of ALL the charges leveled against him. You can be idiotic and say the jury’s verdict does not mean anything bcz. OJ was found not guilty too. However if you do that, I can hit you with the FACTS of the cases and tellingly you won’t have much to say about that.

      Being considered a ‘freak’, possessing ADULT pornography, and caring for children does not make him a pedophile. Its inappropriate and downright SLANDER for you to go around making blogs called “For people still doubting MJ was a pedophile”. (bcz. you and all the morally upright folks KNOW that he was eventhough you have no evidence and ppl. who know the evidence can call you out).

      You should admit you are wrong and were part of the vicious witch hunt against an INNOCENT (of the pedophillia charge) man because you may feel he was a freak who deserved to be humiliated. Its horrible to be accused of something you didn’t do, especially something as stigmatized as pedophilia. Thats what probably drove the man to his early death.

      You may hate him for other reasons, (ie. his supposed freakishnes, plastic surgeries, looking at porn, etc. ) but that does not give you the right to ignore the evidence and make unfounded claims about him being a pedophile despite all the evidence that he was not. It is morally reprehensible and you should be ashamed of yourself for creating this blog.

      • Thank you, God, this place is full of ignorant people who seem to believe that being “weird” is a crime. WTF @ all the thought policing going on in here, too. Apparently the prosection needed to get a psychic on the stand to nail MJ.

        SMH at this mess.

  23. >”Its been well explained by the Michael Jackson and his supporters for decades (even b4 the 1st accusations were made) why he built Neverland and why his best friends were children. They have been CONSISTENT over the years in their explanation.”

    irrelevant
    every perp has a consistent explanation (or rather a flurry of them)

    >”Its the prosecution and Michael Jackson persecutors that have been INCONSISTENT. They have been grasping at the wind, resorting to misrepresentation, suborning perjury, fudging the truth, and even outright LIES to make it look like MJ was a pedophile.”

    irrelevant
    the prosecutors’ methods may be flawed, that’s not the point.

    >”Just a few months ago you beleived the innuendo (despite the actual EVIDENCE) that MJ had naked pictures of children and thought that supported your claim that MJ was a pedophile. Now you’re backing off and saying its ‘ambigous’. Go figure.”

    Indeed i was misled by the misrepresentation of these books.
    But now that i have proven that the desctription of one of them is tailored to ambiguously appeal to pedophiles, you are the one who is backing off:)
    Your point is that these books are not “books containing pictures of naked children” but harmless books about children. Fine. I agreed with you when I saw the cover of the first one. But then I read the editor’s description, which begins by the “spunky” word. LOL
    So at the risk of repeating myself… yes these books are no clear evidence of pedophilia from the part of its owner, you are right and the accusers are wrong to use them as such.
    But still… they may have been edited and written for this special customer group. At least their editor’s description supports strongly this theory.

    >”News flash. You either are a pedophile or you are not. No ambiguity there. You either SEXUALLY abused the kid or you did not. There should not be a separate category just for Michael Jackson just bcz you don’t like him. MJ was found NOT GUILTY in a court of law of ALL the charges leveled against him. You can be idiotic and say the jury’s verdict does not mean anything bcz. OJ was found not guilty too. However if you do that, I can hit you with the FACTS of the cases and tellingly you won’t have much to say about that.”

    LOL
    ok now i can see you are a biased supporter of MJ because you are confusing a “not guilty” verdict with a proof of innocence.
    Many things can lead a court to conclude to non-guilt, but none of them has to do with the actions of the person being charged. It only means they found no way of incriminating him.
    How can i explain that… the inexistence of proof isnt the proof of the inexistence.
    Especially considering that a court room and a trial have limited resources to bring up proof.
    Besides, there were tractations between MJ and his accusers.

    Get a clue please. I can walk into a court room anytime and be found not guilty of things I do every day. I can also be found guilty of things i never did nor dreamt of doing. It just depends on circumstances and wouldnt prove in any way that i am innocent or guilty. It only tells that that particular court at that particular time has claimed that it found evidence or no evidence of my guilt. I said “claimed” on purpose, because courts are notorious for being mafia chambers (run by international banks) where crime and corruption are a business.

    “MJ hasnt been proven guilty by a court” isnt the same as “MJ has been proven innocent by a court”.

    Only the most radical MJ supporters fail to see that distinction.

    I havent read a bunch of your last comments.
    You’re just flooding this blog and trying to prove your point. Keep writing if you want but dont expect me to bite the bait every time.

    I have written on this page already that I take MJ’s own claim that it was all a conspiracy very seriously.
    To most people such a claim seems outlandish but not to me. In fact in my view conspiracy is a normal and expectable thing at that level of exposure and fame, such as is mind control. When you are a billion dollars making machine you are bound to be under such pressures. And the money is just a small aspect of the power involved. High profile stars are huge social control assets for our owners and they are treated as such.

  24. Dubious.

    You’re qouting me out of context and you know it thats why you conveniently acknowledge that you haven’t read my posts. Because you know you can’t address them directly when you are confronted with the actual evidence that led to the jury’s decision. I won’t address your points because they are just a straw man.

    Quit being lazy.

    The facts of the cases and the evidence speak for themselves. I’ve alluded to them many times and provided links.

    This isn’t even just about the jury’s decision. As I’ve written over and over again.

    It takes an intelligent person to review the evidence on their own, learn the facts of the cases and come to their own conclusion if they question the jury’s decision. Thats what people who think O.J. is guilty do. People who think MJ is guilty can’t do this.

    I’ll repeat what I already wrote: ” Its inappropriate and downright SLANDER for you to go around making blogs called “For people still doubting MJ was a pedophile”. (bcz. you and all the morally upright folks KNOW that he was eventhough you have no evidence and ppl. who know the evidence can call you out). ”

    Another REPEAT “You should admit you are wrong and were part of the vicious witch hunt against an INNOCENT (of the pedophillia charge) man because you may feel he was a freak who deserved to be humiliated. Its horrible to be accused of something you didn’t do, especially something as stigmatized as pedophilia. Thats what probably drove the man to his early death. ”

    Quintaldo is a pedophile freak who molests little boys with JESUS JUICE, and pays 100,000 to voodoo doctors to put curses on Steven Speilberg. I know all this bcz. a friend of a friend told me, therefore it must be true.

    You are know an ‘alleged pedophile’.

    Your own words ” the inexistence of proof isnt the proof of the inexistence.”

    Even when you die. We the Moral majority will continue to call you a pedophile.

    I will now write a blog. “For people still doubting quintaldo is a pedophile”

    When you die, we the moral majority will continue to scream with absolute certainty that you were a pedophile.

    • “For people still doubting michael jackson was a pedophile”

      reread this title please.

      it doesnt say “incontrovertible evidence that MJ was a pedo”.

      it just says “here is something worthy of consideration for people still doubting mj was a pedo”.

      the place was loaded with porn.
      it should be enough.
      you dont let your children sleep over at an adult’s home that is loaded with porn.
      nobody does that if they have an ounce of parental common sense and responsibility.

      • Again Copy and paste from previous my post: “What are you talking about? Any adult can own as much pornograhy as they like in there home and invite children over. As long as its legal adult porn. That doesn’t mean they are a pedophile. That doesn’t mean they were SHOWING the pornography off to the children. Maybe the pornography is for their own personal private use and has nothing to do with kids.

        So are you saying that a parent is not allowed to own pornography because their children might be exposed to it? Sometimes kids (especially at the age of 13) misbehave and can dig into their parents stuff to find the porn.”

        Call the cops on any parent who has porn in their house.

      • “the place was loaded with porn.
        it should be enough.”

        For what? LMAO

        You seem mad as hell that none of this was illegal and that MJ didn’t do anything warrenting you’re attack. What else can we get him on??? Oh yeah, owning perfectly legal porn! Owning porn and being a parent! GTFO with that ish. Every celebrity across the land would be in the slammer if that was a crime.

        Also, the porn wasn’t accessible to the children. He didn’t leave it in tape machines playing for them. He didn’t keep it out in his dining room or the kid’s rooms or any other place than under the bed, in LOCKED briefcases, in LOCKED bathrooms. Honestly.

        Try harder, please.

  25. “For people still doubting michael jackson was a pedophile”

    reread this title please.

    it doesnt say “incontrovertible evidence that MJ was a pedo”.

    it just says “here is something worthy of consideration for people still doubting mj was a pedo”.

    You can only doubt something thats already considered a certainty.

    One would think MJ was lounging in prison for pedophilia and their are some crazies still doubting he is a pedophile.

    It comes from the perspective of people who already KNOW that he was a pedo. A more appropriate title would have been “Is it mean to suspect MJ is a pedo… Here is evidence that suggests he might be one”

    Your title says what it says and is simply inappropriate.

    Admit it.

  26. Funny that you would use the “inappropriate” epithet… while dismissing the obvious inappropriateness of MJ’s behavior.
    Any mom worth her salt would be highly suspiscious of a so called “adult” who has no woman nor man, always lives by and for children, has a place loaded with porn, grabs his crotch in public performances in front of children, and invites young boys to sleep over at his house.
    But I guess you lack the common sense and parental responsibility i was talking about.
    I have backed down from claiming this list of items was proof that he was a pedo to presenting them as merely suspicious evidence but you are calling this inappropriate lol while still defending the pedo with all your will. Keep going… you’re only showing your colors in this.
    I’m gonna end up calling you a pedo and this silly dialogue is gonna end soon one way or another.

    You just dont see what’s inappropriate in a guy having a house loaded with porn (not just “containing porn”, but having porn in a every room, get a clue) and calling children to sleep over alone with him… you probably dont find it inappropriate that the same guy was still claiming that it was appropriate for him to “share his bed” with young boys AFTER he had been accused of child molestation.
    Oh and remember, people arent charged for being pedophiles, pedophilia is a sexual orientation not a crime. The crime is child molestation.
    His place was loaded with sick stuff and this should make anyone suspicious… anyone but people who have some personal need to defend the guy for some reason or another. And yes, when you debate MJ-fans who are still defending him 100% after all this time, more often than not they are pedos themselves. I’ve seen that on alt.music.michael-jackson, it’s eerie, you have to see it to believe it:)

    • LOL. You can’t even debate me on the evidence. I’ve already responded to most of your nonsense many times over in all of my posts. Yet can never seem to respond directly. You continue to make the same lame arguments that I have already debunked over and over again, to the point where I simply copy and paste my previous posts.

      You said: ” I have backed down from claiming this list of items was proof that he was a pedo to presenting them as merely suspicious evidence but you are calling this inappropriate lol while still defending the pedo with all your will. Keep going… ”

      Where have I claimed your list is inappropriate? I specifically wrote that you’re title is inappropriate and irresponsible. Another distortion on your part in your lame attempt to respond to me. LOL.

      You said: “have backed down from claiming this list of items was proof that he was a pedo to presenting them as merely suspicious evidence but you are calling this inappropriate lol while still DEFENDING THE PEDO with all your will” (I capitalized your BS)

      You are proving my point. You just called him a ‘pedo’. You know he was a pedophile, despite the fact that I can destroy you with the actual evidence of the cases and yet you have no response to the evidence. You probably know next nothing about the cases, you’re just repeating your BS trash. Much of them are lies and misrepresentations of the case and the actual evidence.

      Ironically, I never even claimed MJ’s behavior was appropriate. Another distortion and lame attempt to respond to me. What I am trying to get through you’re thick head is that a person’s inappropriate behavior and your personal dislike for a person is not enough evidence for you to label them a pedophile, despite the actual evidence that they never MOLESTED (ie. sexually abused) anyone. I am right. You are inappropriate because you KNOW the man was a pedophile. Proved my point precisely. You can’t even debate me.

      Your claim “You just dont see what’s inappropriate in a guy having a house loaded with porn (not just “containing porn”, but having porn in a every room, get a clue) and calling children to sleep over alone with him… you probably dont find it inappropriate that the same guy was still claiming that it was appropriate for him to “share his bed” with young boys AFTER he had been accused of child molestation. ”

      Prove it to me. Show me evidence that his house was loaded with porn in everyroom (your specific claim) and that he showed it to the children (the necessary leap you have to make in order for him to be liable). Show me evidence that he was the one calling kids over to sleep alone with him in his room. You fall short. Reality is much more nuanced than that. (I know you don’t get that impression from watching Nancy Grace and Bill O’reily.)

      Again I’m gonna copy and paste my previous response for the third time:
      “What are you talking about? Any adult can own as much pornograhy as they like in there home and invite children over. As long as its legal adult porn. That doesn’t mean they are a pedophile. That doesn’t mean they were SHOWING the pornography off to the children. Maybe the pornography is for their own personal private use and has nothing to do with kids.

      So are you saying that a parent is not allowed to own pornography because their children might be exposed to it? Sometimes kids (especially at the age of 13) misbehave and can dig into their parents stuff to find the porn.

      Call the cops on any parent who has porn in their house.”

      We know you’re grasping at the wind when the best you can do is scream HE HAS ADULT PORN, therefore he is a PEDOPHILE. LOL. You know he was a pedophile and yet the best you can do is the porn. You get real. What else have you got on him besides your half-truths and distortions? How do you KNOW he was a pedo?

  27. Dude this is a blog, not a mailbox.
    I dont wish to debate you anymore as you’re just creating one strawman after another and misrepresenting my words.
    Get over it.
    You’re giving an idea of which cognitive mishaps are consistent with whitewashing MJ 100%.

  28. Do you have a link for your evidence list?

  29. Why all these blog and obsession with Michael Jackson? What is he to you? I’ve always wondered why people like you get so obsessed and spend all your time putting him down and for what? Does it make you feel important as if you know the real facts about MJ? Did you really know him that well? You posted a lot of items supposedly found in his ranch during the raid but where are proof and your pictures? Did you actually talk personally to these so called accusers? Did you research on all the facts really well?
    Do your research first coz you don’t sound credible at all. I’ve done mine , I won’t turn a blind eye and admire a person who was a child molester. But I can’t put a good man down either just because of all the lies that mainstream media made me believe all these years. Guess what, I researched, and the verdict is that… Michael WAS NOT guilty!!! Shame on me for believing all the lies all these years. And you should be ashamed too!!!

    • You don’t seem to have read this page well. I’m not a MJ-hater and I dont take a hard party line in this debate. I have linked in this page to sites that give the “MJ is innocent” theory and I have given these links as an example of what can be convincing.
      I don’t know who you’re really talking to but you might want to figure that out for yourself.

  30. If MJ had child pornography he would have been arrested and charged with possession of child pornography, as that is a criminal offence in its own right. He was not, so therefore he possessed no child porn.
    As for having adult heterosexual porn magazines in his house, he was a single man and i would find it ABNORMAL for an adult man not to possess some amount of pornography. Its entirely normal, most men have it. Difference is most men do not have the police raid their houses and their entire private content of their houses and personal lives splashed across the Worlds media. Think how that was for him. Think how mortifying that would be. He was a human being.

    • Who and what are you replying to? Who ever claimed, and where, that MJ had “child porn” in his house?
      I see, another child molester apologist. “It’s entirely normal to have porn for a single man”. Well, that’s an opinion, which isnt shared by everyone. And I didnt say it was abnormal, either. I said a responsible mother wouldnt send her child to sleep over there.
      Then you go whining about how it must have been a butthurting experience for MJ. Well you should display that amount of care and empathy for his victims, including his so called children.
      If MJ wasnt MJ the world superstar, if he was just a nobody behaving as he did, he would have been burned at the stake by an angry mob a long time ago.
      His freepass just happened to go out of date, and you didnt get over it.

      • He behave like what? you are basically implying he was a pedo, please can you give us any proof? Stop listen blindly to medias…you will be more free…

        He was treated like that because he was a (black) world superstar, until now nothing has been proved against him…children have slept in NL, rich, poor and sick and just 2 not proven allegations ,you are tarnishing that man? sickening!!!

        I invite you to read,listen , open your “ears/eyes” and finally you will see all the non-sense of arvizo’s particularly

        You know how many people have porn in their house? you know how many kids sleep in house where there is porn? you will judge him by that?it is said the porn was hidden and i told you this(you could tell it does not explain anything) that guy was into WOMEN

      • “I see, another child molester apologist. “It’s entirely normal to have porn for a single man”. Well, that’s an opinion, which isnt shared by everyone. And I didnt say it was abnormal, either. I said a responsible mother wouldnt send her child to sleep over there.”

        Then your issue is with the mother’s. Go send a court order and make it so that all mother’s mustn’t let their kids sleep over at anyone’s house that has pornography in it. I hope they make a Daily Show episode about it later.

        Porn is normal, sorry. It isn’t anything you can convict someone on.

        You’re full of so many casuallly stupid remarks– “child molestor apologist” — would only work if he were a child molestor, had abused children, had even admitted so and his fans ran around saying, “well, he did it because of this or that, feel sorry for him.” No, we’ve just read the cases and know they’re full of shit. I don’t see anyone apologizing for Polanksi in here, except maybe you. Where’s your post about seeking justice for Polanski or burning Polanski?? He’s admitted to drugging, raping a child and expressed absolutely no remorse.

        You’re right, he might have been burned at the stake. Just like so called witches were, just the same way anyone who is different anywhere gets picked up and pulled apart by people. Man, you keep digging yourself an MJ hating hole: just admit you hate that he was weird to you, that it scared you, and what’s worse is that people love him, all over the world they’re in love with this man and it pisses you the fuck off.

        Oh well, 2 bad, 2 bad about it.

        • If you had bothered using the search field on the top of each page of my blog you would have found my post about Polanski.
          You, just admit you’re ready to go to any length to defend your pedo pan.
          There’s no argueing with MJ’s 100% apologists.
          And yes, it’s proven time and time again that they show an uncommon willingness to deny the gravity of child molestation as a crime.
          ‘The Truth’ did it, and you’re on the verge of doing it blatantly.
          Wouldn’t need much to push you over, I guess.
          My point is (for the illiterate, it bears expliciting) that I’m not 100% on one side of this “is MJ a pedo ?” debate, but you guys who are flaming me here are 100% on the MJ-apology side. And there’s no point argueing with you because your judgement is clouded. I tried to debate ‘The Truth’ but his argumentation was circling over and over around his core belief and thesis which is solely based on subjective preferences. There’s no point, except in baiting you into revealing yourselves.
          I could contradict your points one by one but you would just ignore it and come up with new bullshit. Been there done that.

      • Who said i was a “child molester apologist”? He is not a child molester and i am not apologising.
        I have no empathy for his “victims” because there are no victims… actually only thousands upon thousands of children who have benefited from MJs charitable work.

        As for “not gettin over it”.. im not sure what i am supposed to “get over” or why i should.

        Keep up the day job.

  31. Did you read the FBI files? Nothing was found against him…Nothing…they searched…they searched…nothing consistent

    Also please can you listen to Dangerous Album? are you able to search through internet? you will realise there was a woman in his life at that time 90-93…You will tell me he could still have been pedo…but just to tell you, he was just an human being and ask yourself if you will like to be “stigmatized” the way he was? he gave times,money to sick children and just due to 2 untill not not proven allegations, he’s treated as pedo

    That guy was into women, the way i suppose you are…And i just think he felt himself around kids ,they were the only to treat him as “human” not as “MICHAEL Jackson”

  32. The Truth did alot of work on this blog. Good stuff. Found out some things I never knew and he had backup.

  33. Quintaldo. Admit that you were wrong and get on with your life. You tried to debate me and lost miserably. It was kind of sad. This isn’t even really a debate anymore.

    • I have already admitted having been wrong about the books being child porn. You on the other hand dont seem able to admit your mistakes nor even to see any shades of grey in this debate.

      • What mistakes? You just kept going on a tirade about adult porn=guilty of child molestation. Made yourself look very foolish.

  34. “And yes, it’s proven time and time again that they show an uncommon willingness to deny the gravity of child molestation as a crime.
    ‘The Truth’ did it, and you’re on the verge of doing it blatantly.
    Wouldn’t need much to push you over, I guess.”

    Wow. This is more proof you are not very bright. People are accused of child molestation all the time. It could be true or it could not be true. In fact these allegations are very common in custody disputes. Vengeful parents are fully aware of the power of these accusations, thats why they like weild them more often.

    It appears that in your mind ACCUSATION=GUILT. Anyone accused is guilty by virtue of accusation. Anyone who questions these accusations is ‘denying the gravity of child molestation’. In that case why bother with evidence, why bother investigating, and why waste time and money on a trial? We should just round em all up and burn them at the stake.

    Quintaldo should be first to be burned at the stake. I remember accusing him of being a child molester, therefore, he is guilty! Lets burn him! Anyone who disagrees is denying the gravity of child molestation.

    • more strawmen.

      • Go back and read your own post. In fact it is stickied right to the bottom of this thread.

      • Also you write stuff like “You, just admit you’re ready to go to any length to defend your pedo pan.” I’ll call you pedo quinto from now on.

        • Please, do your research before writing such biased articles. To find out more, the following are just a few of the excellent sources of information ut there:

          Redemption – Geraldine Hughes
          Was Michael Jackson Framed? – 1994 GQ article (available online)
          Michael Jackson: The King of Pop’s Darkest Hour – Lisa D. Campbell (available on Google Books)
          The Michael Jackson Conspiracy – Aphrodite Jones

          There’s always the court transcripts themselves too, which go into detail about the 1993 allegations and debunk much of the myths surrounding them. All this information is widely available, and as a media outlet you have an obligation to properly inform the public instead of relying on innuendo as a basis for shaping public opinion.

          I will provide the brief facts below:

          Michael Jackson was the victim of an extortion plot.

          The photographs taken of Michael Jackson taken by the police (which he never, ever should have had to endure) did not correlate with the descriptions given by the child. This is why no charges were laid – the evidence did not exist.

          Michael Jackson’s insurance comany paid the settlement money without his consent. Michael wanted to take the matter to trial and be vindicated. However, given that he was an enormous commodity in the entertainment industry with the potential to reap hundreds of millions of dollars it was considered better for his overall reputation and career to settle the matter and have it over with rather than go through potentially years of legal wrangling which could do far more damage.

          If you read the settlement documents, Michael expressly disclaimed any liability for the acts alleged. The settlement money was paid exclusively in relation to an unrelated claim of negligence.

          False allegations are made against celebrities on almost a daily basis, and many settle, despite having no liability, to allow them to get on with their careers. Settlement does not equal guilt. When this came up a second time, Michael was vindicated of all charges in 2005. Millions of taxpayer dollars were spent seeking a prosecution, based on the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence all of which had innocent explanations, that would never come. There was absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing. Michael was innocent.

          Before he passed, Michael expressed deep regret over settling the allegations and wished he hadn’t. I too wish the settlement had never happened, because then there would be nothing that could be used as innuendo to suggest he was guilty of something he NEVER did

  35. A few very short points:
    Quintaldo here seems to be against pornography in general. It’s his very right. I’m quite sure most people here (just to be on the safe side) strongly condemn child abuse and agree that child porn is completely illegal and twisted. However, it is an interesting point that NO CHILD PORN was ever found at MJ’s house. Kinda surprising for an “alledged pedophile”. That goes along with the many denials of abuse.
    Most imporantly I think a clear line should be drawned between having the opinion that pornography is a bad thing in general and saying someone who can have both adult porn and children in his house is likely to be a pedo. This just doesn’t make sense.

    Another point about the denials : It’s quite often the way child abuse works that the kids feel so ashamed they won’t accuse their abuser, consider they’re guilty themselves, and deny the abuse. Friendship and bonding with the family is another very efficient moral constraint of silence. Therefore, it’s hard to tell whether there was abuse or not. But someone had a good point saying MJ could have been more subtle to have sex with children while traveling or in ways no one would have known. Which doesn’t mean he didn’t, as well…
    As I said, hard to tell, but the evidence of guilt appear thinning to me as I learn about it…

  36. REALLY?
    MICHAEL JACKSON NEVER RAPED MACUALAY CULKIN, WADE ROBSON, FRANK TYSON, BRETT BARNES, ENMANUEL LEWIS, COREY FELDMAN, SEAN LENNON. IF MJ WAS A PEDOPHILE THESE BOYS WOULD HAVE BEEN RAPED.

    JASON FRANCIA NEVER SAID HE WAS MOLESTED IN 1993. HE SAID HE WAS MOLESTED ONLY IN 2005 TRIAL ACCORDING TO TRANSCRIPTS. HE LIED. HE WAS TOLD MJ RAPED COREY FELDMAN AND MACAULAY CULKIN. OF COURSE BOTH DENIED BEING MOLESTING AND DA ANGRY THEY COULD NOT FIND COLABORATING WITNESS.

    JM I AGREE WITH YOU. NO CHILD PORN WAS FOUND. 99% WAS NAKED PICS OF NUDE WOMEN. IF THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND CHILD PORN, LIKE THEY DID IN R KELLY AND GLITTER CASE, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH CHILD PORNOGRAPHY AND JAILED JUST FOR THAT.

    MJ MOVED HIS BANK ACCOUNT IN 1994 SINCE LARRY FELDMEN AND MR. BARRY ROTHMAN WANTED TO GET HOLD OF MJ MONEY. HE WAS NOT BROKE HE PWNED UNTIL THE DAY HE DIED HALF OF SONY/ATV CATALOG, INCLUDES NOW 750,000 SONGS BWING WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

    COREY FELDMAN AND MACAULAY CULKIN DEFENDED JACKSON BOTH IN INTERVIEWS AND IN TRIAL. BUT MEDIA NEVER CARED ABOUT THEIR TESTIMONIES. THEY STILL BELIEVED JORDIE AND JASON. THEY CALLED JASON FRANCIA (THE PASTOR). PATHETIC.

  37. What a pesky spunky little book, innit ?
    Yeah i’m sorry for you MJ whitewashers…
    But its editor presents it as such. It’s the first qualifier he uses.
    This SPUNKY book.
    Which proves that it is a book aimed at pedos…
    So !!
    It’s very nice of you to point at the flaws of my argumentation, but it’s stupid to ignore yours and to do as if the debate was 100% in favor of MJ.
    That’s acting like believers.
    And showing one more time that people who defend MJ are, in their overwhelming and striking majority… nuts who are ready to use any trick to present their hero as 100% white.
    OK he had no child porn in his house, but NO that book isn’t clear at all. It is aimed at pedo customers.
    OK this doesn’t constitute evidence of pedophilia, OK this has been presented as if it was, but still… I would hate having to defend MJ on that one.
    Alright your honor, he owns a book of young boys’ drawings introduced by its editor as being “spunky” but no, he isnt into little boys !
    cough cough… uneasiness in the court room.

    Oh yeah, good job on ignoring that point for a year…. Read the comments you’re replying to, be honest and try to remain as impartial as you can instead of acting complacently like cheap debate whores.

  38. Apparently there are more than one way to understand “spunky” you know… Maybe the book is deliberately ambiguous, so be it… but don’t you see that’s one small piece of evidence in a gigantic ocean of porn..? I think a creepy pedo can find far worse on the internet nowadays, I could do it just now if I wanted to make a point to you, and let alone, for someone as “powerful” and well connected as he was, buy himself highly expressive, more satisfying and not so ambiguous child porn VIDEOS. Yeah, real pedos enjoy that, and they make loads of them in Thaïland and elsewhere. If there was ever such a thing, found at his place, be it after his death, how come it hasn’t been made public yet ? I bet there are enough haters and paparazzis around there craving for such a scoop…
    Anyways thanks for calling all of your contradictors “nuts”, but frankly I don’t care so much how white he was or wasn’t… I don’t even own a record I bought, so to tell you…

  39. way to strawman
    i didnt call all my contradictors nuts
    i’m saying most are MJ-nuts, by that i mean devoted fans who show they are ready to go to any length to defend their idol, including blatant dishonesty.
    your post doesn’t register as being what i called being nutty because you’re not shouting your view as if it was totally obviously completely true and undisputable, you are merely giving counterpoints that leave room for the other side of the debate.

    that’s why i feel no need to discard your points and i’m at ease to agree on all the points you have made
    indeed there is no child porn on that list, but that’s what i started by saying in my previous post which was aimed at the nutty fans who have conveniently overlooked the ambiguity of the said book

    all i’m saying is it’s funny and ironic that the very editor of the book introduces it in a blatant hooking at pedo customers and yet these fans cry out loud that the book isn’t evidence that its owner is one.

    It is true, it isn’t evidence at all. But still, doesn’t it bite you in the face, like poetic karma… go to amazon, check the book’s description and the first qualifier is “spunky”. I call that an eerily striking coincidence.

    Like “alright, you didn’t find anything conclusive but don’t you dismiss the charges too lightly”.

    Indeed rereading the list there is a boatload of porn, straight and gay but no child porn. Alleluia, he may have been somewhat of a man after all :)

  40. IF HE HAD CHILD PORN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AND CONVICTED BECAUSE THE POSSESION OF CHILD PORN IS BY ITSELF ILLEGAL AND A CRIME !!! STOP SLANDERING THE MAN YOU FLOON… UNLESS YOU HAVE REAL PROOFS THAT HE WAS WHAT YOU WANT HIM SO BAD DO BE SHUT THE FUCK UP…

    • he was arrested, i think i remember…
      nice strawman anyway… did i claim he had child porn ?

      • LOL yes, your initial post refers to items you believe allude to MJ being into child pornography. Like a book on Lord of The Flies photography.

        He was never arrested for child pornography, everything he had was legal. Including his 1800 pieces of hetero and lesbian porn.

  41. Please, do your research before writing such biased articles. To find out more, the following are just a few of the excellent sources of information ut there:

    Redemption – Geraldine Hughes
    Was Michael Jackson Framed? – 1994 GQ article (available online)
    Michael Jackson: The King of Pop’s Darkest Hour – Lisa D. Campbell (available on Google Books)
    The Michael Jackson Conspiracy – Aphrodite Jones

    There’s always the court transcripts themselves too, which go into detail about the 1993 allegations and debunk much of the myths surrounding them. All this information is widely available, and as a media outlet you have an obligation to properly inform the public instead of relying on innuendo as a basis for shaping public opinion.

    I will provide the brief facts below:

    Michael Jackson was the victim of an extortion plot.

    The photographs taken of Michael Jackson taken by the police (which he never, ever should have had to endure) did not correlate with the descriptions given by the child. This is why no charges were laid – the evidence did not exist.

    Michael Jackson’s insurance comany paid the settlement money without his consent. Michael wanted to take the matter to trial and be vindicated. However, given that he was an enormous commodity in the entertainment industry with the potential to reap hundreds of millions of dollars it was considered better for his overall reputation and career to settle the matter and have it over with rather than go through potentially years of legal wrangling which could do far more damage.

    If you read the settlement documents, Michael expressly disclaimed any liability for the acts alleged. The settlement money was paid exclusively in relation to an unrelated claim of negligence.

    False allegations are made against celebrities on almost a daily basis, and many settle, despite having no liability, to allow them to get on with their careers. Settlement does not equal guilt. When this came up a second time, Michael was vindicated of all charges in 2005. Millions of taxpayer dollars were spent seeking a prosecution, based on the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence all of which had innocent explanations, that would never come. There was absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing. Michael was innocent.

    Before he passed, Michael expressed deep regret over settling the allegations and wished he hadn’t. I too wish the settlement had never happened, because then there would be nothing that could be used as innuendo to suggest he was guilty of something he NEVER did.

    • “as a media outlet you have an obligation to properly inform the public instead of relying on innuendo as a basis for shaping public opinion”

      hold on, i’m not a newspaper but a simple writer of a little perused blog
      i could write any shit i want
      i dont plan on deceiving people, though
      when i published this article i assumed the piece of evidence it quotes was relevant enough to warrant such a post title
      the following discussion in the comments section convinced me that it in fact was not
      that’s the point of having an open, uncensored, no-registration-required comments section
      on this line of thought, your comment is very much appreciated and i thank you for it : my post wasn’t convincing in the way i intended it to be but this page became very interesting thanks to the many commenters

  42. everybody has an opinion about MJ’s guilt or innocence on his child molestion cases. just wondering who would be willing to testify against or for him if the death penalty was on the table for them if they turned out to be wrong. has anybody stopped to consider what this does to the kids he raised and how they might feel about all the so called experts who slander, accuse, belittle & degraded him for years. does that help hide your own insecurities and fears you feel within yourself? is he your scapegoat for your own misdeeds? HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN…CAST THE FIRST STONE

    • Sigh, this post was made while there was much arguing going back and forth, in the mainstream media about MJ’s culpability or innocence – right after his death.
      Actually my posting was triggered by the whitewashing going on for commercial purposes. Trashy media may profit off of scandal and slandering, but glossy media do live off of playing down the shady sides of celebrities. At that time, right after his death, the whitewashing was disgusting. Hence my posting of what at least looked like evidence of guilt.
      As for any personal motives I may have for trashing MJ, a cursory look at my posting history on alt.music.michael-jackson would tell another story. I’m not a hater, in fact I do side many times with the f’loons.
      In my take, MJ is a highly symbolical character : what matters isn’t his person but what he manifests of our collective. In that sense he is an unquestionably major idol. To me, he will endure as such. Not as a musician but as a medium. A moonchild who let himself reflect the tribulations of our time.

      P.S. To the occult inclined, this implied he was another victim of mindcontrol. What’s fascinating about him is how he fought his programming. The real shady character in this play is his dad though, i.e. his handler : he is the dark figure from among the _known_ characters, although I know very little about the family and there may be other fuckups/villains/colorful puppets.

  43. If not for the Holocaust the Germans may have suceeded. More accurately said, the gods hands would have been tied and the positive goals of the Third Reich would have dictated triumph. The Holocaust ensured we were delivered into this sick age of societal decay. They sent a clue about the Fourth Reich with the Buffalo Bills comeback against the Houston Oilers wildcard game 1992. Tax havens for US corporations. Some little more than PO Boxes. Greed and immorality have been legalized in the United States. Life’s not fair. I can accept that. I have no choice with the maliciousness the gods have inflicted upon me. The gods dictate low tax rates in Ireland to inflict with the wealth similar to that hurting the US. Expect they sell many of the executives on “earning” with their relocation. Ireland has lost something very important recently, and the numbers who ascend has plummetted. More who entered clone hosting, far less who ascend into heaven. “You’re not going to want to be here (on this planet).” Little good. Why else did this happen to me, placed in that family? All the times the gods deliberately crossed the line further suggests. I’m sure clone hosting is in my future (life). There is a reason why people have “enjoyed” peasantry throughout human history, subject to the god’s whim through natural disasters. Ireland’s Potato Famine is a good example. And even if they used poison to force immigration for war recruiting in the United States doesn’t mean the gods didn’t do it. They just aren’t taking blame. And why white Europeans in America were the first to enjoy wealth and comfort of the United States, with Italians leading the pack. But you should know that, with xtianity feeding right into this problem. A good example of societal decay and how the gods manage their culpability is birth defects. In the past the gods occassionally punished people by divinely creating birth defects in the womb. Now, with the advent of biotechnology, they tempt the mother with “earning” and compell her to take a substance in utero which deforms the fetus dispelling the gods of blame and future compensation. Incidentally, the use liberal policies to pay for these individuals, ensuring a lifetime wasted, for they have no hope for progress. Too often in the past they were mercifully killed and brought back without this handicap, allowing them a chance to achieve progress. The gods are washing their hands of culpability. The gods are washing their hands of Planet Earth. Desecrate the gods. Compromised their integrity, claiming it was “temptation” instead of blatant lies. Now I don’t want to bother writing a desecration paragraph, trying to capture how you use positioning as a cloak, enabing you to execute your unholy will. I was pushed into everything in this life and I would bet the same is true in the last. But what the fuck, someone had to be the sacrificial lamb. Immoral. Dirty, immoral whore motherfuckers. The gods are not pure, not in things they say and not in things they do. They will use “temptation” to achieve their goals then try to desceive people about its intent. Gods have no no genetalia. Share their ultra-extreme conservative views on sex, how they use society to promote sexual temptation, poisoning the minds and bodies of the disfavored. Throughout human history women have been the enforcers of decency, and it has worked very well among those not grossly disfavored (Italian, etc). Now that they have embraced so many male sexual charecterisitics everything this structure has desinigrated. As people learned of the gods methodology in the 20th century the gods made things more difficult to understand with liberalism and preditory “earning” behavior. With the advent of this Situation people have learned much more, and the gods willexact a price for this knowledge. Perhaps that will be the deterioration into immoral behavior, as we witness in my life, or perhaps a different way to make progress more difficult. Unit 731:::TSUSHOGO was a clue from the gods about this Situation dating way back to World War II. They used their positioning to hide these Japanese atrocities, and blamed me for burying the Chinese Holocaust. TSUSHOGO says something:::It speaks to the responsbility the Italains had for WWII, the Holocaust and for those people’s involvement in the intentional destruction and exploitation of my life, both for the god’s REAL reason and their positioning’s reason, buried with their “respectable” multinational corporation client list. Budget problems. Cut the military. Bring them home and end the wars. Let these countries experience self-determination and decide their own future. Didn’t we learn this lesson in Vietnam??? Unfortunnately, the gods use the United States as one of their tools, using the spread of democracy to level the playing field and prepare the planet for a global event. So many people don’t care about global warming. They don’t care about the Federal deficit/debt (outside of partisanship) and they don’t care earning $400k for an $80,000/year job will eventually bankrupt the country. They have awarded themselves $400k pay and retirement packages, loading up their friends on the payroll during the boom 90s through the real estate bust while all services which the program were intended to fund now get cut to pay for it. These people are often common public university labor. Not Ivy League, not private university. This labor isn’t good enough to command the salaries they are earning. And they understood this when they applied to the public university they settled on. You can’t expect a top-tier salary with a second-rate education. In addition, public employment has earned the label of being “recession-proof” jobs, a benefit which was taken into consideration with lower pay packages as compared to corporate. These are the people who will be here in the United States when bankruptcy is declared and society deteriorates into chaos. And they will deserve the anarchy which ensues. Continuing the push for privatization, reinforced and supported recently with enormous public sector salaries and retirement packages. Once achieved the gods will utilize the corruptive predisposition of the private sector economy, as seen with the sub-prime/bailout fiasco, to initiate economic catastrophy and initiate the bankruptcy proceedings of the United States. Whether the cure for cancer/diseases or the permanant resolution of economic misery, before the gods remove these motivations to pray we will experience an inordinate deluge of each element, with economic misery being perhaps the dissallusion of the united States with bankruptcy. The gods used the Italians to ruin life in the 20th century. The gods used the Italians to ruin life in A.D. with The Church. The Church controlled Western Civilization. As the largest land owner in Europe they controlled the monarchies. The Italian men who ran the Church were responsbile for slavery, crack babies and thug life/drive-bys, revenge for African invasion and rape of Italy. They created religious and social discontent through the Church, ultimately leading to the disfavored dumping ground known as the United States. Color photographs shortly after the 4.16.06 San Francsico Earthquake found. They deserved it. Just like New Orleans deserved it. Sadly San Francisco was used to set up the Italian dominance, eliminating the diverse business/banking interests and replacing it with Gianinni’s Bank of Italy. Of course the fires were instrumental in ensuring complete rebuilding. Imagine how the gods sold the Italians this, and compare it to how they sold them on preparation for WorldWarII. Expect the gods have instructed AI to organize the universe so planets mature and descend while the gods can give them their full attention during their period of planetary devolution, and claims of heirarchy are yet another lie. Says something frightening, doesn’t it? I am NOT the Fourth Reich. ONE THING. Deliver ONE THING you promised. All these people did everything you told them for DECADES. You have strung them all along. The gods are liars, and you’re all going to be CHEATED. Abortion is part of the decay inflicted by the gods in the latter half of the 20th century as we approach the Apocalypse:::: – Free sex – Explosion in gay sex – Abortion – Legalized greed/immorality – The internet. Whereas TV was a phenominally destructive new temptation on the landscape it doesn’t hold a candle to the internet. Some people will waste their whole lives. And its timing was deliberate. They think they are going sometime during/at the end of this life, and disregard the poor souls who are left behind. “Anger wears a crown of thorns.” Pitch Jesus to Jew elders as revenge for Temple? They didn’t know about the god’s intent for xtianity to spread to Europe, ruining cultures throughout the continent, enabling revenge known as the Holocaust. “It’s too late to pray.” Sign of Woodbridge Church Kansas. And it may be true. Examine pimps who prostitute 10 year old girls in the ghetto. Of course, if you want even a shred of a chance to save yourself, on that rare occassion the Buffalo Bills did experience the Fourth Reich and realized a comeback. Although I requested the elimination of Standard Time and remain year-round on Daylight Savings, the gods did extend Daylight Savings by a couple of weeks on each end. I also suggested the Olympics split into every two years rather than every four years as was tradition. You see with the Prince concerts in 2011. Doesn’t matter though, because positioning is all the gods are concerned with, and they’re GOING to enforce it. Men are the ones who create evil on Earth. It is the choices they make which enslave their souls to hell. This is the test. Good god says a ceiling on time for everyone (see below). Evil god still gives hope for immortality to people who subscribed to preditory behavior:::Immortality if you are right versus a couple centuries partying at best even if you change now. Due to institutional evil the closer we get to The End the more evil everyone incurrs (with individual variation due to behavior) which limits the time for everyone. Probably the children who fix their problems and ascend into heaven as well. Experiencing the evil of modern life in the 20th century costed them, for which limits are placed. They are not the same as their innocent peasantry ancestors from the Old World. You people have fucked up bad by not getting out before the 20th century. Just because the gods have to break some eggs doesn’t mean they are evil. As management there are hard decisions that must be made. But they used this omelette and sold it to people as temptation, who went out and did things they shouldn’t have done thinking being preditory was the way to “earn” their way into heaven. “If it’s like that then I’m dead.” That’s your choice. But when you come back you will have a fresh start, just as you did in this life, able to build something positive if you go the right way. The gods do this intentionally. I recommend you get a head start and begin building for it now instead of continuing to create problems that will make sucess even harder to obtain. It is as simple as recognizing the difference between good and evil and living a decent life with a pure heart and a pure mind. And as you improve your relationship with the gods they will begin to impart wisdom, which can help you understand the task before you. 7 billion in 2011. Only 1 billion in 1800 and 2 billion in 1900. Population explosion is a clue::::The gods are sending everyone back for The End, perhaps the resurrection of the dead referred to in prophecy. There must be some purgatory-like place. Or individual. Like an animal. Now the gods have sent everyone back to try for one final time to fix their problems and ascend into heaven. Avoiding an animal would have been a big positive because those thrust into this decayed enviornment have less of a chance than those who enjoyed the god’s generosity of a slowly decaying enviornment with frightening clues, like the Depression, World at War, the Holocaust, etc. Anything that can get the poeple frightened and praying is a good. thing. Contentment never motivated anyone. As we approach the Apocalypse the gods are removing “wrath of god” material from xtian dogma. As we see wickedness spread throughout the country, like preditory behavior, godlessness, socialo changes, etc, using cable TV and the spread of “Californication” as justification, they changed xtianity, appropriatly with Catholicism first. xtianity has changed radically in the 20th century, and everyone should be mindful of the way it was, because the people are in a process of slipping out of god’s favor into a state of Damnation, from which the vast majority will never survive. They used to scare people and make them too afraid to make mistakes. Now people aren’t afraid of anything and don’t think twice about doing something wicked and evil which will hurt their chances. Never forget::The Gods have created positioning to conceal their true intent in each and every dyanmic we see in society. We truely live in The Matrix:::There is the way things look and there is the God’s REAL reason for doing things. Employment charity:::Was W able to do his job as President? I suspect there are many frat-boy types who couldn’t or wouldn’t study nor do the work necessary so they gained this “benefit” telepathically. This could have been extended to their professional life as well::In most of these cases they don’t have what it takes to do their jobs. It is temptation which buys their confidence for life, ensuring no progress is made. I think employment charity is FAR more common than people may believe. Another example how they tempted people in this manner is the procurement of sexual relations. Keep raping these poor girls. You’re going to end up as one in your next life. Capitalism is evil because of the exploitative nature, illustrated with this Situation. So many are confused and believe money is a sign of the God’s favor, but it is a tool the Gods use to test people, for it effectively compells people into evil behavior. Muslims are correct:::Earning interest is evil. Unlike war, which is a temporary period where the citiens incurr evil due to the decisions of the leaders, capitalism by its very nature incurrs evil for those who participate into perpetuity, an “institutional” method of incurring evil for the disfavored who engage in it. Inherant in earning interest is the exploitation of others, capitalizing on assets and exploiting the workforce for profit. Understand the destructive nature of this element of evil we call the United States, for it spreads this cancer under the guise of “democracy” throughout the world. Look for other institutional evil as related to the United States because as the land of disfavor castoff rejects there will be plenty of examples. It is the essence of life in the United States, and it is not by accident:::Like the ghetto, people with extreme disfavor have many more temptations and hurdles to overcome. Overconsumption of the Earth’s resources is due to the same reason and why the Unkited States wastes so much energy. Examine my examples. They illustrate the God’s reverse positioning used to confuse and disceive people who have made big mistakes in past lives. I illustrate a certain way to think. If you doubt what I teach, if this is not your time to learn please at least completely understand this way of thinking, because when your time does come you will be able to refer to it and you will begin to see the God’s pattern within the context of their positioning. Nobody is going to save you. Christianity is a lie. And only through thinking correctly will you have a real chance to begin doing the right things. Typical for the young, they become corrupt and remain ignorant for a period of time in their lives, typically until their children are raised and grown and/or retire from their profession. Poetic justice ensures they receive a similar experience when reincarnated. Fighting these wars hurts everyone because we all pay for the sins of our leaders, and by participating these ignorant youth make it possible for these events to occurr. So even if you are against the war, since you are a citizen you incurr because of the evil your country is engaged in. And there is no getting around it. Artifical Intelligence is one of the God’s tools, all of which are used as temptation. And it will always test the young with this temptation of “earning”, sadly often leading to a lifetime of corruption. Students becoming angry and violent in the UC protests. Beggining to remind me of labor riots of the 20th century. We all know what’s happening here:::These white men at the top have voted themselves $400k pay and retirement packages like the $340k retired fire chief, loading up their friends on the payroll during the boom 90s through the real estate bust while all services which the program were intended to fund now get cut to pay for it. Incidentally, corporate sucessfully transistioned to cheap labor in nearly ALL “muscle” industries. Why should fire be any different?? It was temptation, and the Gods are going to make them pay for it. Unfortunately, so will everybody else::: Reincarnation is very real. It is OUR national debt. And odds are you’re all going to be reincarnated back into the United States::Like the ghetto, you have to “earn” your way out. And it is our warming planet. Self-inflicted emmissions as their justification, the Gods are doing it to us to send a clue. And, as with all their clues, it will be short-lived. Anger about Messerlee. Understandable. They need to understand this man was pushed into the offense. Cops have been getting away with killings like this for a long time. Blacks in the South know this all too well. Each time they were all confident the Blue Shield would protect them, and it did. The difference is in many IF NOT MOST of these cases they were rogue cops who the Gods tempted. They did it intentionally thinking they were “earning”, knowing they would get away with it. Contradictory to appearances, they were the ones whom the Gods disliked, while the Messerlees of the world who get caught are being punished, feedback reserved for those whom are still qualified in the eyes of the Gods. There are those in the ghetto whom are singled out, targets of the community whom everybody hates. The rogue cops in the South who are guilty of these kind of killings have been reincarnated into roles like this. It’s just one of the clues the Gods offer to the community. Lucky for those preditors the ghetto has been an ignorant community, but I think that might be changing. Of course there could be anoher possibility:::::Due to the history and resulting legacy of hatred for the Gods, since I am guarenteed a spot on the next Planet Earth I will be the original “bad seed”:::The Lucifer-figure of the next reality. Unlike Christian dogma, he may just represent the solitary target of the God’s ire early, a disgruntled asshole who pissed the Gods off, the proverbial “apple” of the next reality, beginning the process which leads planets to where we are today. A crucial figure in any planet’s history, he represents the “beginning of the end”. People, especially liberals give W a very hard time. Don’t forget what I say:::Everything today is both good and evil. The Gods have positioned it as such as we have become increasingly disfavored, confusing the enviornment. Republicans and conservatives as well, only they fall more on the good side while their adversaries fall more on the evil side, quite contrary to the God’s positioning. Yes, W’s evil is illustrated in the United State’s efforts in Iraq, and the “Red State”r’s who believe we were “earning” are among the worst of them. If conservatives fall on the side of good, Fox News falls on the side of evil. They pander to the type of trash my brother is, the kind of trash who thinks their war mongering efforts “earn” for them and all others who think like them. Anyways, it is positioned that W trashed the economy before he left office. Selfish it didn’t happen while he was in office, granted, but economic turmoil is a motivator. It’s not cancer, mind you, but many have begun praying hard because of their experinces in this event, and it says something about those affected as opposed to those sheltered from affect. One day just as they will allow vaccines to diseases, especially AIDS, encouraging deviacy the likes which hasn’t been seen since the 70s, they will allow cures for cancer, MS, COPD, alcoholism, etc. Women’s diseases will be last. Just as research into women’s diseases receive the least amount of funding so is it justified their cures come last, and both for the same reason:::They have the most favor, and the Gods use their diseases as a motivator to pray and find the path. As such they get God’s benefit as long as they are willing to offer it. I suspect many attempts have begun already, but as time goes on the Gods will test people’s religious resolve with an insurmuntable positioning stating Christianity is the one true religion. We’ve seen their efforts in Latin America, in the Philippines and most recently in Vietnam, India and the demonizing of Islam. They intend to test your resolve as Muslims, for those who sell out and flee to Christianity will be subject to their positioning. Blacks are the most disfavored of all people. We see it in their temptation-ridden culture, which the Civil Rights “assimilation” has allowed, in their sexual behavior. The Gods used their position of the Italians to do their dirty work, implimenting the crack epidemic, the black civil war of the 80s and 90s, AIDS in Africa, “pimp” subculture, etc. The Gods created this positioning of Italian’s preditory behavior on Africans to reflect their own disfavor towards that group, allowing them to get what they want without accepting culpability, convieniently. As such, come the Apocalypse those who abandon their true selves, their religion and their dedication to it will be victims in this deceptive Christian theater. Blacks that opt for the “easy way out” will ironically lose their lives in the Apocalypse. Only those who remain true to their religion, its strict methods and lifestyle, and resist the outside temptations stating their are going the wrong way will emerge out of the carnage of The End of Time. They are highly suspectable to temptation and they need their religion to help them be strong and resist it. They will be better people for it and superior to the Christians in the end. This is the life of utmost importance. People need to listen, understand and learn from me and make the changes I prescribe. Without, they will have no chance at ascending into heaven before the Apocalypse, and the only hope they will have is 1000 years with Jesus, which is no sure thing. Even so, assuming they are rewarded with 1000 years with Jesus, they will be offered all manners of temptations, for it will be THE Big Party at The End, and if they don’t address these problems now, while they have this chance to learn this activity is evil, before society declares it socially acceptable, they will be granted some fraction of 1000 years and be disposed of thereafter, when the party “dies down”, pardon the pun. Also, disgusted by their behavior, the Gods have created a subculture which celebrates partying in the black community, guarenteeing that “requirement” is satisfied so they are never “invited”. Only those people who never began the temptations or who addressed these issues and remedied the problems will move on to the next Planet Earth. And we are still approximately 4 lifetimes away, most of which I expect to be revelry years::A population either getting their party now or groomed for a short stay after the Apocalypse. By that time even the most conservative Christian will be tested to see if they can establish this destructive legacy of revelry. Move on to a new Planet Earth. This is their second chance::::They have to start over. Either they ascend into heaven from their planet of origin or they don’t ascend as all, and that’s how the system works. It’s a very small population which exists at the dawn of agrarianism because most have sccumbed to temptation and failed to achieve their second chance on the new Planet Earth. I have said diseases, such as cancer, won’t be going anywhere, no matter how much money is thrown at it, no matter how much money is raised. These diseases are important tools used by the Gods to help people do the right thing:::Cancer has compelled more than a few women to begin praying and behave appropriately. In this environment of decay, the Gods will eventually eliminate these motivations one day. Positioning states cures/vaccines are positive developments which display life is improving. Unfortunately, this is just another example of how the Gods utilize “reverse positioning” which has been very effective in promoting deceptive elements in society, such as democracy, Christianity and Californication, Hollywood being the primary tool used to spread the message of The Beast. Similarly, other motivations which have complelled people to turn to the Gods for solice will begin to disappear as well::::Economic recession/turmoil, Unlike the Christian Bible’s version, the Apocalypse will not be preceeded by ruin and desperation. Just the opposite, there will be peace and personal satisfaction leading to The End, ensuring the Gods can control the group selected for the Second Coming event. The irony of the Apocalypse:::: People told not to follow the Second Coming, who fail to recognize the urgency of the moment and die in the Apocalypse because of it. The Gods will account for people who do not sell out to Christianity, however difficult due to temptation. It will become difficult to remain Muslim in this environment. It will be positioned that everyone except Christians are The Damned and will die come The End. This positioning, and how all this goes down come the Apocalypse, will just be the God’s attempt at testing people with temptation, for it will matter in The End to those whom suceed. Christianity is responsible for African slavery. The Italian men who ran the church set out to gain revenge for the invasion of Italy and, still the largest landowner in Europe, used their considerable clout with the thrones of England to achieve this. The Gods used Christianity to destroy the cultures of Europe and around the world, replaced with the patriarchal standard which it imposed. The Gods used temptation to compell the Italians to do their dirty work for them, punishment for evils of black people, and that extened into the 20th century with Civil Rights, the crack epidemic, gang membership/the “thug life” and even AIDS in Africa, a recycling of the biotechnology product originally intened for the gay community. As with everything there is always a real reason behind their positioning, and in both cases it is punishment for deviate behavior. Being “schitzo”, the internal battle between good and evil, is a deteriorating generational issue that is dying off, much like I illustrated for punishment below::: This new generation, who were the grandparents of their parents, are an early evil generation and one whom became corrupted and fell for societal temptation readily available for them and every generation of the masses thereafter. Their parents came before that generation, the agrarian masses, God-fearing, absent for the temptation offerings of early modern society (Roaring 20s vs. 60s/70s). As a result whereas Dad has great internal conflict I refer to as schitzo because of his connection to his past his children will be less so, perhaps far less so depending on grade of sins in their prior life, decreasing generationally until they have all become Godless, immoral monsters. “Californication” – The tool the Gods use to brainwash the people, amplifying disfavor level as we approach the Apocalypse by merely fitting into society. Poisoning their brainwashed minds…corrupted by society, AI convinces people “earning” is the way, compelling them into evil. This is falling for temptation, while Californication ensures at least a minimal amount of damage, ensuring a minimal amount of generational progress towards the Apocalypse. I demand another. I have signed off. Give the disfavored another and without all the defensive tactics, cowards. Pick out someone else, do this again and discard this Situation. The people who have learned were going to learn anyways. They’re not the ones who need it. The disfavored need it, people like my family, too far gone for any hope at ascention before The End, and they should be allowed moments if not periods of clarity before the decision is made about them. “Decay is inherent in all component things. Work out your own salvation with diligence.” – Buddha I have explained how the gods are phasing out punishment as we get closer to the Apocalypse. Disfavor levels dictate there is insufficient time to repair their problems, relegating people to the Second Coming event. I mentioned how old timers today may experience hell, albeit a “toned down” experience, consistant with the elimination of teaching of Hell in typical Christian educations. I suspect the same is true in the context of prison:::The gods maintain a contstantly decreasing number of punitive intsitutions in case there is a need. But, over time they will be eliminated and the entire system will be quite amicable. Look for this pattern elsewhere as well, for the Gods are eliminating punishment throughout in preparation for the Apocalypse, for it is no longer necessary. The Gods send clues about this situation frequently. Eddie of Iron Maiden. Consider the cover of the album “Number of the Beast” and how it was used to create pathologies. Closure of Fitsgeralds Reno/getting kicked out of Fits LV 1990 for “counting cards” after 5 minutes and $20:::Accusation of the innocent. WWII’s other holocaust:::Unit 731:::tsushogo. Tsushogo was a clue from the Gods illustrating their positioning long before it began. Incidentally, the used it to hurt the Chinese and position against future Japanese sucess by burying their atrocities. The Concorde. The Czech automobile Yugo. 1990 blackjackat Binion’s Horseshoe/Rounders/current poker phenominah. Just as with any of the prophets, the Gods use me as temptation to compensate. This is our temptation in today’s modern superficial, sensationalistic enviornment. Ken Jennings. Million-dollar slot (add a zero to every number on the wheel you cheap bastards). 12.08.20 & 12.8.80 (last birthday). KGC. King Tut 2005-2011. More below::The Gods have created an endless list over the last four+ decades. This Situation is a monster. They have shared that when the change is initially made they alter the DNA with Artificial Intelligence, ensuring it is not the same person. Now depending on their level of activity the Gods switch out for new individuals, ie presidents switched frequently. They say they bring the (m)father’s DNA when it is time to conceive, so it is strategically important who is in there for the conception of the children. The same may not be true for typical activity:::the Gods may alter the DNA upon initial clone hosting but it may be a general change. Conception requires specific DNA. And? So? So there are no Rockafellers. This was how the Gods eliminated their true importance, for now they are little more than lowly English peasants, ironically. Nothing is ever going to change. Now the case can be made that far more men are invited into clone hosting than women, and since lineage is matrilineal it would rather follow that blood line instead. All it takes is one. But I wonder if it even matters. Those who learn and are wise enough to refuse the offer of clone hosting still have to repair their relationship with the Gods and hope for a better placement in their next life, one which certainly won’t involve being a billionaire. Whether real Rockafellers or DNA alternates is of no concequence. Their goal is still ascention, which takes work and dedication. Being/thinking you’re capitalism royalty invites a host of temptations, including grandeur and self-importance, which are all damaging to a good relationship with the Gods. If only they can overcome the temptations that money brings, like ample stunning women and Scarface piles of cocaine. The consequence of clone hosting is the loss of ascention into heaven. The best they can hope for is 1000 years with Jebus in a temptation-infested enviornment where one can have anything they want. Just as the victims of Mengele’s “showers which clentch you of your life” were the Italians who conceived and implimented WorldWarII’s Blitzkreig, so do I think the unholy alliance between evil Japan and good Germany is the cause of the “Siamese Twins” Mengele experiment:::”sewen together, joining heads, just a matter of time before you rip yourselves apart”. World War II, the Holocaust were revenge for Germany’s 5th century AD invasion of the dying Roman Empire. Those at the top are the ones who suffered the worst because of their intimate involvement. Perhaps it was the godfather who experienced the “frozen water burial” “crack your limbs”. Praying for the end of your wide-awake nightmare… How was the Holocaust positioned? What did the Italians have against the Jews? The Romans destroyed Temple. Perhaps Joshua… What is the God’s real reason behind WWII? Punishment? For what? The Crusades? It was a fight supporting evil Christianity, in defense of evil against their religious superiors. For this the Germans should pay. Punished for being war mongers. Go ahead and ignore this. You won’t ever defy and do the right thing anyways. “These came to life again and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4. Reference to reincarnation? I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone who has ever been on Planet Earth still is, outside of those who have ascended as children, and it is evident by the population explosion, the Apocalypse being a true “clearinghouse” event in this planet’s history. Don’t forget to try space coke in the blender and have sex with as many stunning bitches as your goddamn dick will allow, because this place is going to be ALL about temptation, and you will ALL be groomed for the party with lifetimes of legacy under your belt. Some decent god-fearing people will suceed at resisting temptation, but the Gods will facilitate temptation. It will be the rare individual who makes the transistion in an enviornment where you can have anything you want. I believe those who survive these temptations must return to an Earth-like planet, for they have to begin again. Ascention must ocurr from planet of origin. “Going along” will “earn” your invitation to the Second Coming of Christ. You will be reincarnated until that age comes, buy you a mere 1000 years and cost you your chance at immortality, simply because you bought into evil as “earning” and subscribed to the big lie. Not everyone will be going. They will tell some of you to ignore the Second Coming event, and it will cost you your life, ironically. Blacks, on the other hand, will be asked TO folllow the Second Coming, simply because as an Italian religion blacks who pursue Christianity will die in the Apocalypse because of it. Never doubt that Muslims are your superiors. These people are dedicated to their religion while your population have abandoned churches in droves. We no longer see orphanages for good reason::::The state would be forced to use professionals, experts in their field, to devise standards these facilities would apply to raising the children. These standards would illustrate ideal rearing goals which could set a positive example for all in society. Instead of enjoying the best possible childhood learning experience, these grossly disfavored children are instead subject to the preditory evil of the guardian with whom they are placed. This is an outstanding example of reverse positioning and how the Gods created a society where evil appears not only good but also socially acceptable. Civil Righs is a similar issue. Segregation in today’s age would command full funding for black universities and full respect for well established multiple black journalism and media outlets, not this integrated white media cancer where blacks eat what they are fed. What people allow the Gods via positioning matters. Black civil rights is a good example:::: Yes, there may still be a black talk show parading the myriad of black relationship ugliness out for the world to see, but there would also be good black programming that was healthy and worthwhile. As it is, the God’s Italian positioning dictates only poison for blacks via the white media, and the healthy black programming doesn’t exist because of it. Such is the aftermath of Civil Right’s assimilation. Christians have mistakenly believed the perception of the Biblical definintion of The Beast as a person. I suggest The Beast instead refers to a place:::The San Francisco Bay Area. In fact the Gods offer a geographic clue suggesting this, like so many others they offer around the globe, to help people understand::: Mt.Diablo, “The Devil” is the “eye” of The Beast, the EastBay shoreline as the upper jaw/incisors while the peninsula is the grinding lower jaw. Witness the disturbing upturned smile in the gullet, represented my Silicone Valley. The fact than man has shaped much of the shoreline in the 20th century is a testiment to the God’s refusal to accept any culpability for its devistation. Gold Rush, counter-culture, alternate lifestyle acceptance, etc. The Beast was used to promote social decay throughout the 20th century and beyond. Difficult to perceive in the current age, one can understand their impacts from a historical perspective. Another feature which the Gods offer as a clue is very foreboading and ominous. Mt. Zion is a mountain to the north of Diablo and one which has a working quarry at its base. Consistant with the decay we experience in society, Mt. Zion is being eaten away, slowly stripped of its resources, until one day paradise will be gone forever. There was a time when once the Gods “divinely” inspired punishment, where the act was inflicted by the hand of God. They were punishing people and accepting the culpability arising, maintaining societal integrity. Now, in the 20th century and beyond, the Gods tempt man to inflict this punishment, selling them on “earning”, incurring no culpability in the process. The result is social decay and deterioration of mankind’s favor in the eyes of the Gods leading to the Apocalypse. The Man in The Moon is yet another of the God’s clues, and it illustrates the favor the Gods could bestow upon us if we behave appropriately. Conversely, there is also a clue in the dark side of the Moon:::A side we never see and is hidden from view. Concealed by their positioning, this represents the Gods punishment when the people disobey their rules dictating the meaning of a decent life. The Italian peninsula is very pronounced as it juts out into the Medietereanean. Considering the shape it is quite obvious they were the primary targets of the post-IceAge/Straight of Gibralter/Noah’s Flood disaster. Considering the shape of the boot and how Sicily “caught” the surge, the resulting tsunami inundated the entire southern portion of the peninsula, killing everything and perhaps covering even the highest land masses. In the 20th century the Italians were convinced entering clone hosting was ascention into heaven, and their success was a recruiting tool, just as the Holocaust was for the Jews, only duress is far less damaging. The women have God’s favor, and when the women do all the evil, as was the case in my family, this serves to “equalize” the playing field, ensuring no wisdom comes to this family as they grow older. As a result they never make progress and achieve the lowest possible placement when reincarnated. Couple years ago a story in the media how girls in Bayview-Hunter’s Point were going into puberty at a progressively younger age, as young as age 7. A very bad sign::::Early cut-off. It draws the boys attention and they subsequently make sexual mistakes, very similar to what typical people experience nearly a decade later. When they “turn” people on and start telepathically talking to them with this technology is very similar::The end of their chance. They segment families, convince them “earning” is the way, etc. I tell people to examine the change between when they were children and after they began to hear this technology in their head. It is the difference between good and evil. I understand people’s confusion:::They literally hear “God” in their head, as opposed to what was taught to them in some church’s classroom. But this technology is one of the God’s tools, and much like their other tools, clone hosts and prophets (see below), they use them as temptation. Instead of helping them, missionaries are actually HURTING people, inflicting them with westernization and Christianity. Whereas some may have seen up to a full 1% of their children ascend into heaven you pathetic white Americans can’t even muster a fraction of that, and your perceived good intentions decrease that rate even further. These people have a better chance of ascending into heaven, and Americans unwittingly are being used to reduce/eliminate this chance with their misled good intentions which deteriorate into preditory intentions as they begin to understand this, maximizing the damage they incurr from the Gods. COMPILATION PARAGRAPH:::: This IS the event. I am the telepathic prophet. There may have been no other way in today’s modern age:::Use popular culture as temptation and keep teachings primarily telepathic. The Gods must be willing to allow Artificial Intelligence to act as my “bible”, repeating all teachings I have made for future generations. This will ocurr but I am afraid only among the miniscule minority “haves”, leaving the “have-nots” lost in ignorance and cast into Damnation::We are going to have a real, full-blown Apocalypse. Part of this societal deterioration is cloaked in the way society functions::::Two-parent working households, rushing around, constantly occupied. Your children NEED TO SIT AND LISTEN TO THEIR THOUGHTS, FOR THIS IS the age WHEN THEY GODS COMMUNICATE THE TRUTH. Much as with the celestial event which occured that day on Ocean Beach, they say when I die there will be some final clue to the people suggesting my importance. Perhaps a “Star of Bethlehem” type of event. They say some children see a halo on my head in various brightness. These are the children who have a chance to ascend. America and Christianity synonymous::::Punishment for Europeans. You don’t want to grill the Gods as to why something is viewed as negative or disapproved of. The Gods have placed many things in today’s society which facilitate temptation, and you can trust anything that varies from tradition or orthodoxy would be viewed as such. ——————————————————————— The voice you hear in your head is the power of the Gods. It’s a remote technology, like a computer, perhaps functioning on some frequency, and it can listen and talk to everyone in the universe simultaneously. What the Gods taught the children was the truth:::God is everywhere, and this is what they meant. I will remind you of another principle you learned as a child:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good. Even the antient Gods don’t have the ability to listen to people’s thoughts themselves. They taugh we were all made in their image:::I expect they need this “Artificial Intelligence” they created to relay what people think. It is a tool, and the Gods use their tools to test people with temptation:::It will role-play people in your life:::Parents, friends, spouses, and employers, all in an attempt to test people with temptation. Ironically, it does the very same thing to those people whom you think you’re hearing, except in that individual’s unique way:::We are all “managed” by the God’s technology. But this agent of the Gods can do more than just communicate. It can force thoughts into people’s heads, force behaviors onto their bodies. It can turn healthy cells in your body into cancerous cells. It is absolute power. And this is just the beginning. Obedience is not the answer. This is the brain-less response and the easy way out. You’ve done everything you have been told for years and it never bought you ANYTHING. Your parents did what they were told and it didn’t buy them anything. Your grandparents did everything they were told and now they’re dead, reincarnated as lesser life forms, perhaps even into America’s deranged, violent ghettos. People think they are not responsible when Artificial Intelligence tells them to do something. They offeed a clue with the Holocaust AND with Watergate:::Defy authority and do the right thing. In earlier decades this obedience may have been out of fear, as so often in Germany, but that era is long over. To maximize damamge the Gods today sell them on “earning” and these people think they will profiteer from their evil. They offer a clue on the Simpsons with Flanders and Skinner. So many ridicule both figures, a testiment to the state of our society. The Gods favor the children most among all the people due to their innocence and purity. But society and the God’s tools recently are corrupting the children at a progressively younger age, a reflection of our collectively increasing disfavor and yet another clue illustrating we live in a increasingly deteriorating environment. Children who sucessfully repair their relationship with the Gods ascend into heaven. This often takes multiple lives of hard work and proper behavior in the face of adversity to achieve. Adults to whom it is offered enter clone hosting instead, thinking they will be ascending into heaven ultimately. The Gods tempt people, selling them as one in the same, but one is good while the other is evil. In their desperation the disfavored subscribe to this temptation, making their task even more difficult than before due to the evil they incurr in the process. And their corruption will cost the disfavored, for they will be reincarnated as a lesser life form into an ever deteriorating world, sucess becoming ever more allusive with each passing life. The hole they’ve dug for themselves is even deeper than the one that existed from their prior lives, ensuring it will take even more time and work to fix their problems with the Gods. And for many there may not be enough time left. Ours is an envionment where evil is perceived to be rewarded while good is punished. As with everything the Gods have a reason for creating this perception:::: People who fall on the good side of the good/evil scale have more favor, and when they do something wrong the Gods punish them BECAUSE THEY WANT THEM TO LEARN. The Gods want them to receive this feedback in hope they make corrections and begin to behave appropriately. The Gods DON’T like evil and refuse to grant this immediate feedback. EVERYBODY pays for what they do wrong, only evil people must wait until the end of this or their next life before they will experience the wrath of the Gods, manifested in their placement as a lower form of life into environments with increased/enhanced temptations, like the United States or its ghettos therein. Sadly, this allows the Gods to position this perception of evil rewarded as temptation, one which they use as an EXTREMELY effective corruptor. Example:::Punishment for gay marriage in Iowa was immediate and painful, a sign of favor of these God-fearing, church-going Midwesterners. The Gods suggest they can create paradise for those with their favor. I argue they create misery for those without:::: Our celebrity culture is temptation. It creates a distraction which consumes people, sometimes for life. Certainly it costs them precious years which could be spent repairing their relationship with the Gods, time that ultimately goes wasted. Do you really think Frank Sinatra lived to be 84 years old? In fact the “Chairman of the Board” had a new crowd to entertain in the late 80s/early 90s. These people are clone hosts. Now, there is no thing as “black and white” with the Gods. This technology they invented is far, far too dynamic. Expect they require most to stay for a period of time, for I suspect actively (knowingly) engaging in this evil incurrs at an accelerated rate as compared to “carte blanche” given regarding successive clone hosts. They remain until they achieve a pre-determined level of disfavor, incurring evil in their misguided celebration of “earning”, at which time they are ultimately reincarnated, perhaps because they eventually learned this truth I am sharing with you and began to repair their relationship or until the Gods became disgusted and sent them back. No, not all celebrities are fake. Expect those who get out early in their career to likely be the real thing. The Gods recruit most for clone hosting when people are young, in their late teens or twenties, when people are eager to hurt others for what they perceive to be the benefits achieved through “earning”. And before they leave they give the Gods “carte blanche”:::”Do anything you want. I give my full approval.” Depending on their level of disfavor the Gods take them to heart. Because of this these people STILL INCUR EVIL FROM THIS LIFE DESPITE BEING REINCARNATED AND LIVING AS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON and living in our temptation-ridden society. And incurring this amount of evil may likely push many over the edge into Damnation. What are the God’s standards for offering clone hosting? Sociobility? Many tactics in various eras are used to gain approval, duress during the Vietnam draft being a good example, one which deteriorated into preditation as mankind’s disfavor grew. They liked Heath Ledger. Not enough to allow him to escape without the evil of “Dark Knight” and the horrific wickedness that was the recruiting tool “Brokeback Mountain”. But now he is out. And irregardless of how old he is now, reincarnated 10, 15 years ago, he now is no longer incurring evil from this life. So many others cannot say the same. This is Planet Reverse Positioning. Sucess IS NOT a sign of favor. It is just a unique temptation targetted towards a different level of disfavor. Considering our roots as peasantry people should be particularly alarmed at this tactic. Clone hosting is like money:::A different level of disfavor and its associated temptation. Money is in better position to learn more quickly than those without, for the associations and wealth-based freedom enables them access to information. Unfortunately, those who fall for this temptation of clone hosting are likely returned to their original lowest level of disfavor once they are reincarnated, punishment for this evil, and they have to start from scratch. Our society’s values are bestowed by (a reflection of) the God’s:::Punitive and reward-based. Contrary to Jesus’s teaching’s you will NOT be forgiven and you have to earn your way into heaven BY BEING RESPECTABLE AND DECENT!!! Not by being evil and wicked. Forgiveness/savior was the primary temptations the Gods used Christianity to create. Middle-America’s anti-Semitic attitudes are a clue regarding Christianity. Europe shaped like a sheep is symbolic for the slaughter that is Christinaity. Christianity is punishment for Europeans. You ALL hate Jews::”They own banking, they control Hollywood and poison our children’s minds, etc etc.”) YET YOU PRAY TO ONE LIKE A GOD!! Dislodge your head from your ass. Must you be chumps your WHOLE LIVES??? There is no such thing as a free ride. Just as you have to earn a living by working so must you earn your own salvation by repairing your relationship with the Gods. As we learned from religious/morality education during our formitable years:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good. The only savior that will exist in our lives is ourselves. The Gods offer clues in life::::Be it school, work, etc., you have to do the work for yourself and when you do something wrong you get punished. Cheating is a subsegment and speaks directly to the temptation of “priveledge”, one we have seen used effectively when the United States preyed on the disfavored with the so-called “stimulus package”. As like so many of you, Jesus did everything the Gods tempted him with. His legacy of whorism was inherited from his parents:::Mary was no virgin. Rather, she was a prostitute, and when he grew up Jesus met someone like his mother. This is a cruel joke the Gods play on Latinos, similar to the sexual violation and subsequent “missionary work” by the Spanish. Baptism does not allieviate “original sin”. Rather, baptism PLACES original sin by indoctrinating these children into this evil religion, much like circumcision was a method to inflict early damage/mutilation and make (permanant) accention just that much more difficult, another hurdle one must overcome. Body ornamentation (tattoos/piercing), celebrated in Africa and elsewhere among disfavored peoples/cultures, also violates the body the Gods gave us in their image, quite opposite to the positive attitudes the disfavored hold regarding this practice. Like Jesus the Second Coming of Christ will be evil. He will look like a savior in this demented society while the Anti-Christ will speak of a different gospel, one that tries to restore the norms and mores which the Gods originally blessed upon the people which made life decent, looking like a tyrant in the process. He will be viewed as the “bad guy” when really he is the one trying to save the world. There may be a phoney offering, a theatrical production which accurately follows the Book of Revelations. Actually positioning demands it:::::Christianity is positioned to be the one true religion. And those who follow its teachings will have limits imposed ensuring their stay will be minimal, a “consolation prize”, for they don’t think correctly and therefore don’t behave appropriately, or perhaps will be used to colonize the new Planet Earth. This describes many “sinners” in today’s society because they refuse to change their behavior. Christians have mistakenly believed the perception of the Biblical definintion of The Beast as a person. I suggest The Beast instead refers to a place:::The San Francisco Bay Area. In fact the Gods offer a geographic clue suggesting this, like so many others they offer around the globe, to help people understand::: Mt.Diablo, “The Devil” is the “eye” of The Beast, the EastBay shoreline as the upper jaw/incisors while the peninsula is the grinding lower jaw. Witness the disturbing upturned smile in the gullet. The fact than man has shaped much of the shoreline in the 20th century is a testiment to the God’s refusal to accept any culpability. Gold Rush, counter-culture, alternate lifestyle acceptance, etc. The Beast was used to promote social decay throughout the 20th century and beyond. Difficult to perceive in the current age, one can understand their impacts from a historical perspective. There was a time when once the Gods “divinely” inspired punishment, where the act was inflicted by the hand of God. They were punishing people and accepting the culpability arising, maintaining societal integrity. Now, in the 20th century and beyond, the Gods tempt man to inflict this punishment, selling them on “earning”, incurring no culpability in the process. The result is social decay and deterioration of mankind’s favor in the eyes of the Gods. Life is a test, and the Gods evaluate people based on their performance. The Gods test people with the temptation for which they are most weak:::: Homosexuals desire sodomy, preditors pursue the hunt, alcoholics crave a drink, junkies jones for dope, etc. Addiction theory is a lie; it is Artificial Intelligence creating the desire, punishment for inappropriate behavior. Ironically, it compells people deeper into the behavior, minimizing hope for recovery. The Gods chose Christianity for Europeans because it is the temptation to which they are most suseptable:::Entitlement. Something for nothing. A free ride. Irresponsible behavior. The United States/Western civilization’s accompanying wealth contributes to this perception. And other people from throughout the world happily subscribe to this punishment designed for Europeans, assuming this legacy once assimilated. Next time you think of Muslims recognize these people are vastly superior to Christians. Whereas many throughout the Christian world no longer attend church and have fallen into Godlessness, the Muslim world worships the Gods for OVER AN HOUR EACH AND EVERY DAY. The Gods created the perception “Italians are stupid.”, ensuring a slow learning curve, to justify using them to accomplish goals throughout the transitional 20th century. It took an extraordinarily long time for them to learn this truth I teach due to this artificial handicap. These people are SO extremely disfavored, but today’s positioning says differently, much to people’s confusion, for they think money is the ultimate sign of favor:::Good food, good music, history of warmongering, Catholics, Christianity HQ, Noah’s Flood event, propensity towards violence, sexual violation by outsiders, mild Meditereanean climate, so many other issues which enhance life/contentment in Italy/Meditereanean and ensure few if any seek more, a necessary step for finding the path and repairing your relationship with the Gods. Contentment never motivated anyone. Money is not a sign of favor::::Wisdom is the true wealth on Planet Earth. I’d also like to remind you the Noah’s Flood event ocurred in the Meditereanean region::::Global sea levels rose with the end of the ice age, Atlantic Ocean broke through the Straight of Gibralter, killing untold millions in the cradle of western civilization. The God’s timed their corruption and sin to correlate this act as punishment. The Italian peninsula is very pronounced as it juts out into the Medietereanean. Considering the shape it is quite obvious they were the primary targets of the post-IceAge/Straight of Gibralter/Noah’s Flood disaster. Considering the shape of the boot and how Sicily “caught” the surge, the resulting tsunami inundated the entire southern portion of the peninsula, killing everything and perhaps covering even the highest land masses. Think about this next time you are deceived by the God’s positioning of Italian wealth. Everyone who failed to ascend and remained on Earth past a certain date will be forced to deal with this positioning::::A ceiling is in place. This serves the God’s goal of minimizing the percentage of potential candidates as society deteriorates, much as “instant gratification” did beginning in the 80s:::It will take multiple lives for the disfavored to fix their relationship with the Gods and ascend, and many have been conditioned not to have the patience for it. Other issues force limits/ceilings upon candidates:::Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, Christianity, godlessness, Whether behavior is involuntary or based on freewill depends on one’s level of disfavor, as well as other complex factors:::::May I remind you about the coercitive envionment the Gods created in the 20th century, specifically to create a temptation that few Italians (or their associates) would overcome:::”We’re in control. If you want to be a part of it you’ll do what you’re told.”. Early-mid 20th entury positioning was infallible. Both Africa and the Medittereanean are regions which have sexual issues. This is a sign of gross disfavor once you understand that females are the God’s favored gender. Muhammad’s (Mohammed’s) polygamy halfway throught his life as a prophet was preditory, designed to corrupt. Now a huge percentage of Muslims believe in male superiority and that the abuse of women (polygamy) is God’s will. Female genital mutilation is still practiced in Africa. Black misogyny is the most eggregious example in United States. Consistant with Planet Reverse Positioning, in Africa blacks are being punished with AIDS for their sexual promiscuity in hope they learn and correct their behavior. Blacks are highly suspectable to temptation. As a result they need a strict, disiplined religion like Islam. They can’t afford to be Christians. It is one of the benefits bestowed upon their people, and other groups could greatly benefit as well. They need to recognize the importance of a good relationship with the Gods, embrace this benefit and remain true to their faith. Vailing is tradition for some, practical for others, one which aids in the men’s self control among some cultures. Much like the Jews who killed Jesus, like the bigots who oppose immigration there is a reason embraced by the masses and the real purpose, displaying the intent of the Gods::::The Gods clue to purebloods that they should not abandon their motherland for this dumping ground for rejects that is the United States. The Holocaust was a clue the Gods utilize scapegoatting as a strategy. Why did the Gods punish the Jews with the Holocaust? Was it for the destruction of cultures which Christianity caused? Perhaps they corrupted the Jews “after the fact”, telling 19th/early 20th century Jews that Jesus “earned” immortality for the Jews by destroying the European and other cultures? The German destruction of European churches/cathederals during WWII is a clue. Note::::The Gods wanted to keep the Catholic stronghold in Italy, ensuring they could use this tool against these disfavored for many years to come. There is so much Godlessness today, but one day people will flock back to houses of worship out of desperation, and the Gods ensured the Catholic Church would be Italian’s destination. Planet Reverse Positioning:::The Nazis were the “good guys”. So are the Muslims/Palestinians, however corrupted some are due to polygamy. Contentment never motivated anyone::::Except perhaps for slavery, the Jews never saw more of their children ascend into heaven than during the Holocaust. The Gods subsequently used revenge for the Holocaust as temptation::::”Your Italian brothers have a tool, a special power which can achieve sweet revenge. Are you interested??” In the aftermath of the Holocaust the Gods tested the Jews with the temptation of revenge, an offer which many gladly accepted. In an attempt to achieve revenge for genocide the Jews, thinking they were in partnership with the Italians, made efforts to impose as many Germans (Americans) into homsexuality in the 70s using this technology. Their motive with biotechnology’s AIDS product may have been to finish the job off, revenge for the Holocaust. There was positioning behind the counter-culture movement. How did the Gods telepathically “sell” this rapid deterioration of decency to the Italians and Jews and compell them to fall on their swords as preditors? If the Jews only would have emersed themselves in Judism the Gods would have “protected” them from the raveges of temptation. Judism may be the one superior religion in all the world, and the Jews wouuld have been wise taking refuge in this exceptional benefit bestowed by the Gods rather than looking for the easy way out. Much as with the Jesus event, the Gods use the disfavored to prey on each other. The Gods use the evil that men do, man’s inhumanity towards man to accomplish strategic testing/punishment/etc goals::::The Germans fell for this temptation by following the preditor/corruptor-Austrians (Hitler). Without this Austrian the Holocaust may never have happened. Nor may have World War II. What the Germans did was wrong. They fell for temptation and failed to have empathy for the disfavored. Economic desperation, not wisdom nor enlightenment, dominated in Germany. The Gods send many clues suggesting the great favor of the Germans (regionally). I think the Cold War’s Berlin Wall dividing Germany into east and west was a clue suggesting this (reverse positioning). I suspect the Holocaust was used to “level the playing field” in Europe, for the Germans had far too much favor to be included in the agenda planned for their neighbors otherwise, and they would have been suspiciously out of place, providing a clue for the disfavored which would have been difficult for the Gods to position away. Militancy in Africa i
  44. Hey guys! Check out page 3, Line 39 of “List Continuations,” near the end of sbscpublicaccess. org/docs/ctdocs/060804sdcontsheet. pdf (PDF 13)
    Saint Michael had copies of porn named “Pimps Up, Ho’s Down, Fuck me, I’m a Bad Girl, Unbelievable Anal, Tales of Taboo, Chicks with Dicks, Human Horse Cocks, Brown Showers and Biggest Black” on hand.
    Just the kinda man you wouldn’t mind if he shared his bed with your child, huh?
    On “PDF 13”, Item # 309 of the offical court records states that in a black leather bag confiscated at Neverland were pornographic magazines and DVDs.
    Also found were tittie magazines and other sexually graphic books including photos of nude or semi-nude men, women and children, plus “how to” books with a fetish (bondage, sadomasochism) theme. The investigator writes these books and mags could be used as a “grooming” process by pedophiles.

    • Yeah they “could” but you don’t base an accusation on suppositions.
      Also, the defense could argue that if MJ was a pedo he would have had pedo porn.

  45. The only thing I took away after reading this article was that your average person, rather than using proper logic & deductive reasoning, will instead read whatever they want into a situation, and that often the conclusions drawn are thus so far fetched as to be LAUGHABLE.

    All of the actual porn listed (people engaged in sexual acts) that was found on MJ’s property were LEGAL! I didn’t see one thing listed there that indicated any unlawful material having to do with children. The key word here, is unlawful material. So what if he had ART BOOKS which contained photo’s of naked men, women, and children? Big f’ing deal.

    I don’t see anything wrong with the list of contents found, and anyone who does clearly lacks the ability to use discrimination and logic.

    • If you had read the comments you might have noticed that I’ve already admitted all that : indeed there is no illegal material being listed. Still, there is way too much adult stuff for a guy who invited children to sleep in his own bed.
      If he wasn’t famous nobody would find this even remotely appropriate.

      • the hajo ortil’s photography book is one of the boylovers favourite. it is found in mj’s neverland. and neverland is a pedo’s big dream.. i believe that mj is a child lover and also a child molester. and you already knew.. his fans will not accept this.

  46. I will be honest here, I know Michael Jackson, I have spoken to Jackson and I know him better than my own family. I know exactly what time he was born, I know a lot about him and I am not a fan. I do not believe in being a fan of anything, I am religious and old fashioned. I do, however, understand Mike to the fullest measure and I know for certain that he was innocent in all accusations. I spoke to him over the issues and the way he acted about it, as if he were disgusted…. he was completely innocent of all accusations. Now I am not saying he wasn’t strange, I am strange myself… I myself want to purchase a human skeleton to study and to admire because I am a bit eccentric and yes some of my friends are quite young but I still am not a pedophile. I don’t associate with anyone of such ilk, it’s below me and they are criminals. I really care about Michael, I really wish people would understand that what they hear on television is completely unconfirmed reports. I don’t even watch television anymore, I don’t watch movies or anything. I read books though and I have a library containing over 2 thousand books in one of my houses. I am not a wealthy man but I do have a few houses, I have a business office as well. I am not a wealthy man though. I am rich in other ways though, I am rich to have known Michael and I am thankful for that and I am rich in love and family. I have a wonderful life, I do have a bit of depression sometimes but I go on every day and I don’t take medication, I don’t believe in it. Also Mike was addicted to pills but I can tell you right now he did not enjoy it, he would cry over it and wish he could get help and well anyway he’s better off now. He’s a good man and he did sing good and his dance moves were quite amazing, he was a very good entertainer but no I am not a fan nor am I into music. I enjoy classical music. Well anywho I had better close now, I just wanted you to know that you have your own right to your own opinion but I have my own right to mine and I actually knew Mike, you didn’t. That’s the difference here. Good day and God bless.

    • well, thanks for your testimony.
      if you read the comments section, you’ll see i’ve agreed that this article constitutes no proof of anything, contrarily to what its title says.
      I’ve kept the title as such anyway because i’ve enjoyed the traffic it’s brought to the site.

  47. DELETE this page is completely false and useless and give me your address arrives TI smash your fucking ASS end up in Hell

  48. MJ was not a dog (let alone a God) among artists; and his music and videos are all crap. He was never the king of pop either. Chris De Burgh puts him to shame. “The Lady In Red” is much better than “Thriller”.

  49. LiesLIES LIES LIES! EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ONLY HETERO PORN WAS FOUND IN HIS MANSION.MICHAEL’ S ATTORNEY THOMAS MESERAU , SPOKE OUT ABOUT IT AS AN IMPORTANT EVIDENCE OF MICHAEL’S INTEREST ONLY IN ADULT WOMEN.

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